1 00:00:24,990 --> 00:00:19,110 [Music] 2 00:00:28,609 --> 00:00:25,000 you're in the para cast the gold 3 00:00:33,810 --> 00:00:28,619 standard of paranormal radio and now 4 00:00:36,869 --> 00:00:33,820 here's gene Steinberg we may or may not 5 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:36,879 hear from Chris O'Brien supposedly he's 6 00:00:42,420 --> 00:00:39,730 got his cell phone working well but he 7 00:00:44,550 --> 00:00:42,430 hasn't gotten his internet yet he's 8 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:44,560 course contacted the men in black the 9 00:00:46,860 --> 00:00:46,450 galaxy protectors to see if they would 10 00:00:50,310 --> 00:00:46,870 help him 11 00:00:52,050 --> 00:00:50,320 Joshua kuchen who's our guest today was 12 00:00:54,870 --> 00:00:52,060 telling me their stories now they're 13 00:00:57,990 --> 00:00:54,880 going to have another man in black movie 14 00:01:00,299 --> 00:00:58,000 what if you heard yes I just saw this 15 00:01:02,700 --> 00:01:00,309 that Sony is looking to do sort of a 16 00:01:04,740 --> 00:01:02,710 side pool so not necessarily a sequel or 17 00:01:07,230 --> 00:01:04,750 a reboot or a prequel but something set 18 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:07,240 in the men in black universe I think 19 00:01:13,380 --> 00:01:09,610 that the details that I read were that 20 00:01:14,429 --> 00:01:13,390 they are eyeing a setting in the in 21 00:01:16,469 --> 00:01:14,439 Great Britain which would be an 22 00:01:20,929 --> 00:01:16,479 interesting take with Chris Hemsworth 23 00:01:23,879 --> 00:01:20,939 and a as yet undesignated female black 24 00:01:26,449 --> 00:01:23,889 co-star agent we'll see you know the men 25 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:26,459 in black series has been I think 26 00:01:30,389 --> 00:01:28,450 diminishing returns for a little while 27 00:01:31,739 --> 00:01:30,399 now so we'll see what happens how much 28 00:01:33,779 --> 00:01:31,749 how much more there is to scrape at the 29 00:01:35,999 --> 00:01:33,789 bottom of that barrel I feel like the 30 00:01:37,199 --> 00:01:36,009 number three that went with Josh Brolin 31 00:01:39,209 --> 00:01:37,209 in it that was actually pretty 32 00:01:41,819 --> 00:01:39,219 entertaining that was maybe what my 33 00:01:44,249 --> 00:01:41,829 favorite of them all what Josh Brolin's 34 00:01:46,379 --> 00:01:44,259 casting as a young Tommy Lee Jones is 35 00:01:47,519 --> 00:01:46,389 pretty pretty inspired so yeah I'd 36 00:01:49,649 --> 00:01:47,529 definitely agree that there was some 37 00:01:53,429 --> 00:01:49,659 highlights to that now think about it 38 00:01:56,909 --> 00:01:53,439 here we have Chris Hemsworth who was 39 00:01:59,309 --> 00:01:56,919 known for actually two roles now the 40 00:02:03,389 --> 00:01:59,319 brief appearances Captain Kirk's father 41 00:02:05,789 --> 00:02:03,399 in the reboot version of Star Trek Thor 42 00:02:08,790 --> 00:02:05,799 which some people like to call thud if 43 00:02:11,370 --> 00:02:08,800 they don't like the character and now if 44 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:11,380 he becomes a man in black you know I'm 45 00:02:15,690 --> 00:02:14,170 excited to see Chris Hemsworth flex his 46 00:02:17,970 --> 00:02:15,700 comedy chops whenever you get the chance 47 00:02:19,500 --> 00:02:17,980 to do that I mean his the Thor 3 he 48 00:02:22,140 --> 00:02:19,510 really exhibited a really good sense of 49 00:02:22,900 --> 00:02:22,150 timing and in what few smaller comedic 50 00:02:24,430 --> 00:02:22,910 roles he's had 51 00:02:26,050 --> 00:02:24,440 like the Ghostbusters reboot which I 52 00:02:27,730 --> 00:02:26,060 thought overall was not very good but I 53 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:27,740 thought he was a bright spot in that and 54 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:30,170 also the most recent national lampoon's 55 00:02:32,980 --> 00:02:31,610 vacation film he was sort of a bright 56 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:32,990 spot in that as well he's got a good 57 00:02:37,330 --> 00:02:35,090 sense of timing so he might be able to 58 00:02:40,690 --> 00:02:37,340 pull it off we'll see yes I've seen him 59 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:40,700 do things he is surprisingly funny and 60 00:02:46,270 --> 00:02:43,850 you don't expect it because he plays 61 00:02:48,790 --> 00:02:46,280 opposite that kind of character normally 62 00:02:50,410 --> 00:02:48,800 so it's a man in black sure what the 63 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:50,420 heck stranger things have happened 64 00:02:55,300 --> 00:02:51,290 that's for sure 65 00:02:57,190 --> 00:02:55,310 some people say would he play James Bond 66 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:57,200 but I think that's totally against the 67 00:03:00,640 --> 00:02:57,890 character 68 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:00,650 yeah I'm not I'm not much for him as 69 00:03:06,730 --> 00:03:03,170 James Bond I'm more along the lines of 70 00:03:09,310 --> 00:03:06,740 rooting for someone like the gentleman 71 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:09,320 who plays Rollo in the Viking series I 72 00:03:12,640 --> 00:03:11,210 can't remember the actor's name but I 73 00:03:16,270 --> 00:03:12,650 think he would be a good he would be a 74 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:16,280 good choice or the gentleman who plays 75 00:03:22,630 --> 00:03:19,250 Ross Poldark in the BBC Poldark series 76 00:03:23,830 --> 00:03:22,640 whose name is also escaping me yeah I 77 00:03:25,060 --> 00:03:23,840 think that there's some there's some 78 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:25,070 good British actors who would make a 79 00:03:29,500 --> 00:03:26,930 good choice people have been you know 80 00:03:31,090 --> 00:03:29,510 sort of kicking around the idea ad 81 00:03:32,830 --> 00:03:31,100 Turner that's the Poldark hair actor 82 00:03:34,870 --> 00:03:32,840 people have been kicking around the idea 83 00:03:37,060 --> 00:03:34,880 of an address Elba James Bond which I 84 00:03:39,250 --> 00:03:37,070 love the idea he's my first choice if 85 00:03:40,900 --> 00:03:39,260 this conversation had started in earnest 86 00:03:43,150 --> 00:03:40,910 about 15 years ago but I'm afraid that 87 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:43,160 Hollywood just isn't going to cast that 88 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:45,050 old of a James Bond these days but you 89 00:03:50,350 --> 00:03:47,690 know who knows I will mention one person 90 00:03:51,490 --> 00:03:50,360 that will surprise you because you've 91 00:03:54,250 --> 00:03:51,500 probably never heard of him he's a 92 00:03:58,240 --> 00:03:54,260 British actor named Adam Rainer and he 93 00:04:03,100 --> 00:03:58,250 played in a TV show called tyrant where 94 00:04:06,130 --> 00:04:03,110 he's part of the family of this Arabic 95 00:04:07,780 --> 00:04:06,140 or shall we say despots and he becomes 96 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:07,790 at the end of the series a despot 97 00:04:11,949 --> 00:04:09,410 himself and you scene with a beard you 98 00:04:15,250 --> 00:04:11,959 say this guy cannot possibly be James 99 00:04:17,620 --> 00:04:15,260 Bond except he also did a TV version of 100 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:17,630 the saint playing the Simon Templar 101 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:19,970 character and you see him without the 102 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:22,210 beard and he seems to carry it off and 103 00:04:27,790 --> 00:04:25,130 remember Roger Moore did the Saint 104 00:04:29,170 --> 00:04:27,800 before he became James Bond well and 105 00:04:31,900 --> 00:04:29,180 also you know I remember that there was 106 00:04:34,029 --> 00:04:31,910 a lot of backlash when Daniel Craig was 107 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:34,039 cast because oh no he's blond and he's 108 00:04:36,460 --> 00:04:35,450 you know he's he doesn't look like James 109 00:04:38,710 --> 00:04:36,470 Bond and I would argue 110 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:38,720 you know one of my favorite bonds that 111 00:04:43,030 --> 00:04:40,370 have that have been out there and he's 112 00:04:44,500 --> 00:04:43,040 too short true true you know they're a 113 00:04:46,300 --> 00:04:44,510 lot of people have this idea of what 114 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:46,310 James Bond should be and it's kind of 115 00:04:49,660 --> 00:04:47,930 interesting because in a lot of ways 116 00:04:51,430 --> 00:04:49,670 he's just a cipher unless you really 117 00:04:53,650 --> 00:04:51,440 want to go back to the old Ian Fleming 118 00:04:55,390 --> 00:04:53,660 novels which they really haven't had 119 00:04:58,120 --> 00:04:55,400 much fidelity to for a while besides 120 00:05:00,760 --> 00:04:58,130 just pilfering names well so much for 121 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:00,770 James Bond I have no idea why we're 122 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:03,650 getting into this and we had John 2016 123 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:05,810 well James Bond is sort of a man in 124 00:05:12,280 --> 00:05:06,890 black isn't he 125 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:12,290 James Bond he's a man it sucks but you 126 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:15,050 know it's pretty pretty unusual 127 00:05:22,660 --> 00:05:18,770 character but he was more of a raw 128 00:05:25,180 --> 00:05:22,670 character in the book than he was in the 129 00:05:27,790 --> 00:05:25,190 movies and we think of Sean Connery kind 130 00:05:31,860 --> 00:05:27,800 of a hybrid could be cruel but also very 131 00:05:35,670 --> 00:05:31,870 suave and then we have a character like 132 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:35,680 Roger Moore who wouldn't even walk 133 00:05:39,430 --> 00:05:38,090 sometimes without using a stunt double 134 00:05:44,470 --> 00:05:39,440 because they didn't like the way he 135 00:05:49,750 --> 00:05:47,560 so I can't say he was an empty suit but 136 00:05:53,620 --> 00:05:49,760 he just wasn't physically James Bond he 137 00:05:56,730 --> 00:05:53,630 played the st. pretty well but not 138 00:05:59,980 --> 00:05:56,740 somebody with that dash of Cruelty but 139 00:06:02,050 --> 00:05:59,990 what do I know Timothy Dalton I don't 140 00:06:04,719 --> 00:06:02,060 know he wasn't bad 141 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:04,729 maybe they should go with with something 142 00:06:08,710 --> 00:06:06,890 other than the typical British like 143 00:06:10,710 --> 00:06:08,720 maybe they should do something like get 144 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:10,720 something someone like Jet Li in there 145 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:16,010 you know go go uh kung foo oh please you 146 00:06:22,150 --> 00:06:17,930 don't understand here this is the 147 00:06:24,790 --> 00:06:22,160 quintessential British spy and you can't 148 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:24,800 have him being played by somebody who 149 00:06:28,270 --> 00:06:25,610 lives in Asia 150 00:06:29,170 --> 00:06:28,280 okay well I'm sure he could play a 151 00:06:31,150 --> 00:06:29,180 British citizen 152 00:06:33,580 --> 00:06:31,160 you know just break this break to mold 153 00:06:34,870 --> 00:06:33,590 or make it if it wasn't there some rumor 154 00:06:36,730 --> 00:06:34,880 there was supposed to be a female 155 00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:36,740 version Jane bond 156 00:06:40,540 --> 00:06:39,290 maybe yeah that's that's one of those 157 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:40,550 things that's been kicked around for a 158 00:06:44,290 --> 00:06:42,410 while I think that you know I would like 159 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:44,300 to see something a little bit different 160 00:06:48,070 --> 00:06:46,490 with the franchise at some point it's 161 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:48,080 shaking it up in some direction and if 162 00:06:49,629 --> 00:06:49,370 it's you know if it's if it's casting 163 00:06:51,969 --> 00:06:49,639 and 164 00:06:54,129 --> 00:06:51,979 Asian British James Bond or you know 165 00:06:55,089 --> 00:06:54,139 black British James Bond you know a lot 166 00:06:56,740 --> 00:06:55,099 of ways I'm all for it 167 00:06:58,779 --> 00:06:56,750 you know let's get away from James Bond 168 00:07:01,929 --> 00:06:58,789 because really don't care about that we 169 00:07:04,300 --> 00:07:01,939 care about weird foods from elves and 170 00:07:06,070 --> 00:07:04,310 space people a little bit anyway and 171 00:07:09,730 --> 00:07:06,080 we'll talk about your next book Joshua 172 00:07:12,850 --> 00:07:09,740 and as you probably have recognized if 173 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:12,860 you recognize voices from people we have 174 00:07:17,110 --> 00:07:14,930 Jay Randall Murphy as our guest co-host 175 00:07:27,939 --> 00:07:17,120 so let's go back to kind of reacquaint 176 00:07:31,619 --> 00:07:27,949 our listeners to odors and foods and all 177 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:31,629 this other stuff yeah well I had the 178 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:34,370 perhaps in hindsight not bright because 179 00:07:37,420 --> 00:07:35,810 your life definitely takes a different 180 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:37,430 turn when you make a decision to write 181 00:07:42,909 --> 00:07:40,610 books like this but I had the the bright 182 00:07:45,730 --> 00:07:42,919 idea of the lightbulb moment back in 183 00:07:50,140 --> 00:07:45,740 2014 that there were some similarities 184 00:07:52,779 --> 00:07:50,150 between between fairy folklore and the 185 00:07:56,439 --> 00:07:52,789 UFO phenomena that weren't being 186 00:07:59,140 --> 00:07:56,449 addressed you know obviously works like 187 00:08:03,100 --> 00:07:59,150 passport to Magana and people like Kiel 188 00:08:04,540 --> 00:08:03,110 had talked about I talked about this 189 00:08:06,189 --> 00:08:04,550 some of these similarities before but 190 00:08:07,420 --> 00:08:06,199 there was one specific area the area 191 00:08:11,559 --> 00:08:07,430 that people had really denied and that 192 00:08:13,930 --> 00:08:11,569 was the gifting of food the food and 193 00:08:16,779 --> 00:08:13,940 drink offerings of fairies and aliens 194 00:08:18,700 --> 00:08:16,789 and how those those sort of overlap and 195 00:08:21,610 --> 00:08:18,710 correspond and you know has anybody ever 196 00:08:22,869 --> 00:08:21,620 done a survey and analysis of this and 197 00:08:26,589 --> 00:08:22,879 when I you know became very apparent 198 00:08:27,519 --> 00:08:26,599 that no one had I sort of sat back as 199 00:08:28,749 --> 00:08:27,529 someone who's interested in the 200 00:08:30,100 --> 00:08:28,759 unexplained and said okay well 201 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:30,110 somebody's gonna somebody's gonna write 202 00:08:34,529 --> 00:08:32,810 this book and I waited a couple weeks 203 00:08:37,779 --> 00:08:34,539 and I waited a couple months and I said 204 00:08:41,469 --> 00:08:37,789 yeah nobody's gonna write this book so I 205 00:08:44,230 --> 00:08:41,479 I took it upon myself as part of my part 206 00:08:47,410 --> 00:08:44,240 of my exit strategy from my day job part 207 00:08:50,230 --> 00:08:47,420 of it was sort of writing and part of it 208 00:08:51,730 --> 00:08:50,240 was also you know being a going ahead 209 00:08:55,180 --> 00:08:51,740 and going at all in them being a full 210 00:08:57,490 --> 00:08:55,190 time musician and I went ahead and put 211 00:08:59,230 --> 00:08:57,500 together my first book a Trojan feast 212 00:09:01,840 --> 00:08:59,240 the food and drink offerings of aliens 213 00:09:02,860 --> 00:09:01,850 faeries and Sasquatch which is the first 214 00:09:05,590 --> 00:09:02,870 book of its kind 215 00:09:07,210 --> 00:09:05,600 to really look at these disparate areas 216 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:07,220 and to sort of find the similarities 217 00:09:10,930 --> 00:09:09,410 between not only health these foods are 218 00:09:12,940 --> 00:09:10,940 given but the types of food that are 219 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:12,950 given and why this remains a persistent 220 00:09:17,980 --> 00:09:15,770 motif that you'll find even through you 221 00:09:20,380 --> 00:09:17,990 know the abduction era if you look at 222 00:09:22,570 --> 00:09:20,390 sort of the UFO lore food offerings 223 00:09:25,060 --> 00:09:22,580 happened you know some during the 224 00:09:26,890 --> 00:09:25,070 contactee era you know Orfeo Angelou Chi 225 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:26,900 is probably the most famous of those who 226 00:09:30,970 --> 00:09:28,850 receive this golden nectar that gave him 227 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:30,980 these strange 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forum dot the para cast dot-com so Chris 341 00:14:27,070 --> 00:14:24,560 O'Brien is weighing for Internet I tried 342 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:27,080 to contact him on his mobile phone and 343 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:28,970 that didn't seem to work so well Joshua 344 00:14:35,590 --> 00:14:31,930 kuchen who's author of the brimstone 345 00:14:37,090 --> 00:14:35,600 deceit from 2016 we're going to cover 346 00:14:38,710 --> 00:14:37,100 some of it again and bring you up to 347 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:38,720 date and he's got a new book coming out 348 00:14:46,450 --> 00:14:42,770 this summer he won't give up on it now I 349 00:14:50,410 --> 00:14:46,460 wanted to mention an email that I got 350 00:14:53,230 --> 00:14:50,420 from regular listener who said quote 351 00:14:55,690 --> 00:14:53,240 gene I enjoy the para cast but I wish 352 00:14:58,390 --> 00:14:55,700 you would have more shows about other 353 00:15:02,140 --> 00:14:58,400 aspects of the paranormal other than 354 00:15:04,450 --> 00:15:02,150 UFOs at least for me I'm tired of 355 00:15:06,610 --> 00:15:04,460 hearing about that topic nearly every 356 00:15:08,860 --> 00:15:06,620 week well we haven't been covering it 357 00:15:11,700 --> 00:15:08,870 nearly every week lately I mean last 358 00:15:14,740 --> 00:15:11,710 week we had red pill junky of course and 359 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:14,750 he was relating UFOs to other paranormal 360 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:16,970 mysteries and that's part of the issue 361 00:15:23,380 --> 00:15:19,730 that we're even discussing right now can 362 00:15:27,340 --> 00:15:23,390 you say all these paranormal thingies 363 00:15:30,820 --> 00:15:27,350 are totally different in which case you 364 00:15:33,700 --> 00:15:30,830 put UFOs here Bigfoot here ghosts over 365 00:15:36,730 --> 00:15:33,710 here etc etc or do they have 366 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:36,740 resemblances are they connected in some 367 00:15:45,930 --> 00:15:40,970 way so a sense here can we separate the 368 00:15:48,700 --> 00:15:45,940 various masters of this phenomena 369 00:15:51,100 --> 00:15:48,710 instead of being lots of separate things 370 00:15:54,310 --> 00:15:51,110 but you know they're all related in some 371 00:15:57,780 --> 00:15:54,320 way but the question here I have here is 372 00:16:02,380 --> 00:15:57,790 and this kind of just brings us back why 373 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:02,390 odors well I think of sulfur the odor of 374 00:16:10,690 --> 00:16:06,650 burnt sulfur that somehow heralds some 375 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:10,700 kind of weird experience well you know I 376 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:13,370 think that I think that part of the 377 00:16:18,220 --> 00:16:15,050 reason that the UFO gets so much 378 00:16:21,079 --> 00:16:18,230 attention is because it does seem in a 379 00:16:23,660 --> 00:16:21,089 lot of ways to be a bit of a 380 00:16:27,410 --> 00:16:23,670 knighting motif and a lot of these 381 00:16:28,850 --> 00:16:27,420 different things I mean you'll see you 382 00:16:30,710 --> 00:16:28,860 mentioned this sort of ad nauseam with 383 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:30,720 with your appearances with red pill 384 00:16:34,129 --> 00:16:32,610 junky but you do have similarities 385 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:34,139 between the near-death experience and 386 00:16:38,540 --> 00:16:35,970 what could be called ghosts phenomenon 387 00:16:40,970 --> 00:16:38,550 and UFOs you have similarities you have 388 00:16:44,350 --> 00:16:40,980 events where Sasquatch has been seen in 389 00:16:46,869 --> 00:16:44,360 proximity to or during a UFO flap I 390 00:16:49,189 --> 00:16:46,879 think that if you are being 391 00:16:50,989 --> 00:16:49,199 intellectually honest you have to admit 392 00:16:53,869 --> 00:16:50,999 that there is some sort of connective 393 00:16:55,549 --> 00:16:53,879 tissue between all these different 394 00:16:57,170 --> 00:16:55,559 things if you're assuming that there is 395 00:16:58,730 --> 00:16:57,180 an objective reality to all these 396 00:17:00,679 --> 00:16:58,740 different things I don't think that all 397 00:17:02,420 --> 00:17:00,689 of for Keanu or the unexplained 398 00:17:04,039 --> 00:17:02,430 necessarily deserves equal attention 399 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:04,049 because some of its kind of I think 400 00:17:07,549 --> 00:17:05,610 silly and some of it's the product of 401 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:07,559 the Internet age but if you look at the 402 00:17:13,159 --> 00:17:11,010 storied traditions if these are not all 403 00:17:15,740 --> 00:17:13,169 the same thing that we're looking at the 404 00:17:18,409 --> 00:17:15,750 Venn diagrams overlap a good deal and 405 00:17:20,510 --> 00:17:18,419 that's really nowhere better represented 406 00:17:22,669 --> 00:17:20,520 then in the smell of sulfur 407 00:17:24,380 --> 00:17:22,679 so that was my 2016 book the brimstone 408 00:17:26,329 --> 00:17:24,390 deceit which I was sort of amazed that 409 00:17:28,220 --> 00:17:26,339 no one had taken the time to put forth 410 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:28,230 an entire book on just paranormal smells 411 00:17:31,460 --> 00:17:29,730 I mean they're gonna chapter here and 412 00:17:33,710 --> 00:17:31,470 there and a study here and there and a 413 00:17:35,180 --> 00:17:33,720 flying saucer a review article here and 414 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:35,190 there and a MUFON Journal article here 415 00:17:38,659 --> 00:17:36,210 and there but nobody had ever really 416 00:17:42,230 --> 00:17:38,669 given the long-form treatment the book 417 00:17:45,230 --> 00:17:42,240 primarily looks at UFO smells Bigfoot 418 00:17:47,570 --> 00:17:45,240 Sasquatch smells and ghost smells not 419 00:17:49,220 --> 00:17:47,580 just sulfur as the title implies but all 420 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:49,230 sorts of smells and there's a lot of 421 00:17:52,700 --> 00:17:50,970 overlap again between all these but one 422 00:17:55,519 --> 00:17:52,710 of the connecting things is this 423 00:17:58,580 --> 00:17:55,529 persistent smell of brimstone or sulfur 424 00:18:00,289 --> 00:17:58,590 and you find this obviously in like not 425 00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:00,299 only in you know cases of demonic 426 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:02,130 possession in those sort of cases but in 427 00:18:05,919 --> 00:18:03,570 just mundane ghost cases you'll find 428 00:18:08,029 --> 00:18:05,929 this you'll find a sulfur smell 429 00:18:09,620 --> 00:18:08,039 specifically hydrogen sulfide in a lot 430 00:18:12,529 --> 00:18:09,630 of Sasquatch cases and it's one of the 431 00:18:14,539 --> 00:18:12,539 more common UFO sighting odors as well 432 00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:14,549 as you go down you will see that it's 433 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:18,240 common and in what few ferry accounts 434 00:18:22,190 --> 00:18:20,010 mention a smell you can sort of find the 435 00:18:24,940 --> 00:18:22,200 similarities there as well men and black 436 00:18:29,570 --> 00:18:24,950 black eyed kids you'll see this sort of 437 00:18:31,490 --> 00:18:29,580 motif of sulfur of decay of entropy 438 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:31,500 across all these different phenomena 439 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:33,650 that to me I thought was I 440 00:18:37,690 --> 00:18:35,810 you know pretty fascinating connective 441 00:18:40,060 --> 00:18:37,700 clue as to what might be going on here 442 00:18:42,220 --> 00:18:40,070 again I'm not sure what is going on but 443 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:42,230 I'm just trying to see where these 444 00:18:46,900 --> 00:18:44,210 little bits and pieces of what seem to 445 00:18:49,030 --> 00:18:46,910 be disparate phenomena overlap no I'll 446 00:18:50,650 --> 00:18:49,040 tell you a quick story which is apropos 447 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:50,660 to nothing but that's what people say 448 00:18:55,750 --> 00:18:52,610 about me all the time he's apropos to 449 00:18:58,210 --> 00:18:55,760 nothing and that is when I was a kid 450 00:19:00,730 --> 00:18:58,220 maybe eight of ten years old I went 451 00:19:04,060 --> 00:19:00,740 through a period where I kept smelling 452 00:19:08,260 --> 00:19:04,070 sulfur or something like sulfur that 453 00:19:09,820 --> 00:19:08,270 kind of foul odor and it seemed to 454 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:09,830 persist when I was walking in the street 455 00:19:15,580 --> 00:19:13,490 mostly with my family and after a few 456 00:19:17,350 --> 00:19:15,590 months it disappeared I also had weird 457 00:19:21,580 --> 00:19:17,360 dreams of the time recurring dreams 458 00:19:24,850 --> 00:19:21,590 where I see this large dark object 459 00:19:27,310 --> 00:19:24,860 speeding towards me and then just kind 460 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:27,320 of overwhelming me and I wake up in a 461 00:19:34,300 --> 00:19:31,210 sweat I have a recurring nightmare and I 462 00:19:38,290 --> 00:19:34,310 remember them is happening around the 463 00:19:40,540 --> 00:19:38,300 same time and then stopped and we're 464 00:19:41,770 --> 00:19:40,550 never happen again well part of what you 465 00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:41,780 have to sort of break down is sort of 466 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:43,280 exactly what you were smelling because 467 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:47,090 sulfur in its own pure state actually is 468 00:19:51,580 --> 00:19:49,850 odorless it only starts to smell if you 469 00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:51,590 actually ignite it which creates sulfur 470 00:19:55,180 --> 00:19:53,360 dioxide or it's in the presence of 471 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:55,190 hydrogen and creates hydrogen sulfide 472 00:20:00,220 --> 00:19:57,050 and decay so is this more of a firework 473 00:20:02,740 --> 00:20:00,230 smell or a rotten egg smell probably 474 00:20:07,390 --> 00:20:02,750 closer to rotten eggs and I've never 475 00:20:09,340 --> 00:20:07,400 liked eggs well um you know whenever you 476 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:09,350 have you know biological material 477 00:20:15,250 --> 00:20:11,930 decaying in the absence of oxygen you're 478 00:20:17,290 --> 00:20:15,260 going to get this hydrogen sulfide odor 479 00:20:19,660 --> 00:20:17,300 which is why you know it's inside a 480 00:20:21,700 --> 00:20:19,670 rotten egg it smells that way and that's 481 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:21,710 that really is hydrogen sulfide is the 482 00:20:25,180 --> 00:20:23,810 most common of the two compounds that 483 00:20:27,850 --> 00:20:25,190 are smelled although you know again both 484 00:20:29,350 --> 00:20:27,860 are are smelled but you know there are 485 00:20:32,050 --> 00:20:29,360 numerous reasons for that I mean you 486 00:20:35,500 --> 00:20:32,060 can't deny the fact that you know if as 487 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:35,510 I recall you grew up in Brooklyn Bronx 488 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:38,330 Brooklyn so I mean you know it's it's 489 00:20:41,650 --> 00:20:39,650 entirely possible that it could have 490 00:20:43,270 --> 00:20:41,660 been venting gas from a sewer I mean 491 00:20:45,529 --> 00:20:43,280 that's again you have decay in the 492 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:45,539 absence of oxygen under the water 493 00:20:50,269 --> 00:20:47,369 you know human wastes and that's a very 494 00:20:53,210 --> 00:20:50,279 common smell in those settings it could 495 00:20:55,340 --> 00:20:53,220 be the smell of you know of trash or 496 00:20:57,019 --> 00:20:55,350 dumpsters or you know barring something 497 00:20:59,509 --> 00:20:57,029 like that that's a you know a mundane 498 00:21:02,269 --> 00:20:59,519 explanation there is a recognized 499 00:21:05,509 --> 00:21:02,279 phenomenon in science called called 500 00:21:07,460 --> 00:21:05,519 phantosmia where people smell smells 501 00:21:10,159 --> 00:21:07,470 that are there now unfortunately amongst 502 00:21:12,409 --> 00:21:10,169 the ghost hunter groups this people have 503 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:12,419 have said that phantosmia is the 504 00:21:17,899 --> 00:21:15,330 smelling of a Mel that doesn't have a 505 00:21:19,219 --> 00:21:17,909 source and they say Oh phantosmia if you 506 00:21:20,810 --> 00:21:19,229 smell something that means a ghost well 507 00:21:22,759 --> 00:21:20,820 that's not exactly what phantosmia is 508 00:21:25,310 --> 00:21:22,769 describing phantosmia is a psychological 509 00:21:27,739 --> 00:21:25,320 condition wherein one person for 510 00:21:30,109 --> 00:21:27,749 whatever reason smells something that no 511 00:21:31,519 --> 00:21:30,119 one else can detect so I mean it's 512 00:21:33,999 --> 00:21:31,529 entirely possible that that might you 513 00:21:38,180 --> 00:21:34,009 know that's sort of that sort of a 514 00:21:40,489 --> 00:21:38,190 condition might come and go well it like 515 00:21:43,369 --> 00:21:40,499 I said came at the same time I had these 516 00:21:45,589 --> 00:21:43,379 recurring nightmares and left the same 517 00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:45,599 time I don't recall the odor being 518 00:21:53,060 --> 00:21:49,679 specific to a specific Street remember I 519 00:21:56,330 --> 00:21:53,070 was living an area with tenement houses 520 00:21:58,219 --> 00:21:56,340 small apartment buildings mm-hmm in the 521 00:22:00,979 --> 00:21:58,229 Brownsville section the only thing I can 522 00:22:04,570 --> 00:22:00,989 say now is my parents probably paid $50 523 00:22:07,999 --> 00:22:04,580 a month rent for this two-bedroom home 524 00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:08,009 way back when thousands of years ago it 525 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:09,840 has since been rebuilt according to 526 00:22:14,029 --> 00:22:12,090 Google Earth that looks new it looks 527 00:22:15,799 --> 00:22:14,039 like it was the same place built 528 00:22:18,859 --> 00:22:15,809 possibly in the nineteen thirties or 529 00:22:20,479 --> 00:22:18,869 something and I imagine now if you tried 530 00:22:24,619 --> 00:22:20,489 to rent the place assuming it's still 531 00:22:28,009 --> 00:22:24,629 for families or for units it would cost 532 00:22:30,529 --> 00:22:28,019 you $3,000 a month minimum to show you 533 00:22:33,259 --> 00:22:30,539 how things are hey we got more to come 534 00:22:35,029 --> 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strange odors phenomena 646 00:27:23,450 --> 00:27:19,860 that seems to relate to many possible 647 00:27:26,270 --> 00:27:23,460 events not just UFOs with Joshua kuchen 648 00:27:27,980 --> 00:27:26,280 author of the brimstone deceit and 649 00:27:30,650 --> 00:27:27,990 another book I'll be mentioning shortly 650 00:27:33,170 --> 00:27:30,660 one remind you also about that other 651 00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:33,180 radio show called after the power cast 652 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:34,320 well you never know what's going to 653 00:27:38,810 --> 00:27:36,690 happen next and we don't either and you 654 00:27:42,110 --> 00:27:38,820 get that the version of this show free 655 00:27:45,250 --> 00:27:42,120 of network ads and more if you subscribe 656 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:45,260 to the power cast plus somebody on 657 00:27:51,140 --> 00:27:48,210 YouTube said gee I can't afford any more 658 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:51,150 luxuries and I reminded him it's a 659 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:54,450 dollar 49 a week that's it or $4.99 a 660 00:28:01,880 --> 00:27:57,930 month etc etc go to plus Dutch the para 661 00:28:04,670 --> 00:28:01,890 cast com+ thought the para cast dot come 662 00:28:07,790 --> 00:28:04,680 and we're looking here at different 663 00:28:10,850 --> 00:28:07,800 kinds of odors now in looking at odors 664 00:28:13,010 --> 00:28:10,860 do you also look at strange foods in 665 00:28:16,130 --> 00:28:13,020 connection with paranormal events odour 666 00:28:18,590 --> 00:28:16,140 and taste are so intimately connected 667 00:28:20,660 --> 00:28:18,600 you have to sort of address that you 668 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:20,670 know I feel like that the subject got 669 00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:23,370 tackled a good deal with a Trojan feast 670 00:28:27,530 --> 00:28:24,960 so I didn't spend too much time in the 671 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:27,540 second book on that although it is 672 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:30,570 interesting how we perceive flavors when 673 00:28:34,970 --> 00:28:33,810 we are told certain things so there's 674 00:28:37,250 --> 00:28:34,980 actually been some studies that have 675 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:37,260 been done wherein if you are blindfolded 676 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:38,970 and someone tells you that you're 677 00:28:42,770 --> 00:28:41,130 drinking an orange drink and you're 678 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:42,780 handed a cherry drink your immediate 679 00:28:47,930 --> 00:28:45,330 first reaction your first tiny sip the 680 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:47,940 tip of the tongue will be that it is 681 00:28:52,670 --> 00:28:50,610 actually an orange drink instead of a 682 00:28:55,250 --> 00:28:52,680 cherry drink or you know vice versa so a 683 00:28:57,650 --> 00:28:55,260 lot of times we use context clues to 684 00:29:00,380 --> 00:28:57,660 sort of help us guide these more um I 685 00:29:01,940 --> 00:29:00,390 want to say liminal sets luminol senses 686 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:01,950 but it's kind of that they're not very 687 00:29:06,850 --> 00:29:03,690 definitive there are subject to 688 00:29:10,580 --> 00:29:06,860 interpretation a similar study presented 689 00:29:11,930 --> 00:29:10,590 people with Parmesan cheese under their 690 00:29:13,670 --> 00:29:11,940 nose that they're blindfolded if they're 691 00:29:15,139 --> 00:29:13,680 told that someone was sick they they 692 00:29:16,339 --> 00:29:15,149 think feel like it's vomit and they 693 00:29:18,169 --> 00:29:16,349 pull back if you tell someone that 694 00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:18,179 you're cooking Italian food tonight 695 00:29:22,399 --> 00:29:19,529 they're gonna be excited about it 696 00:29:24,379 --> 00:29:22,409 I saw a magician who had a similar video 697 00:29:26,299 --> 00:29:24,389 popup on Facebook where he was blinding 698 00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,309 people and telling them that he was 699 00:29:30,229 --> 00:29:28,799 going to burn them with a match a lit 700 00:29:32,719 --> 00:29:30,239 match and what he would do is he would 701 00:29:33,979 --> 00:29:32,729 have them blindfolded he lit the match 702 00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:33,989 that they could hear it and then he took 703 00:29:36,889 --> 00:29:35,369 an ice cube and press it to their arm 704 00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:36,899 and people would draw back within 705 00:29:42,739 --> 00:29:40,320 seconds because their context was that 706 00:29:44,329 --> 00:29:42,749 this was actually you know a burning 707 00:29:46,759 --> 00:29:44,339 sensation when it was actually a pretty 708 00:29:50,089 --> 00:29:46,769 innocuous freezing sensation so the 709 00:29:53,719 --> 00:29:50,099 point here is that the visual clue is 710 00:29:54,499 --> 00:29:53,729 very much far the taste experience yeah 711 00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:54,509 I mean the taste and the smell 712 00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,129 experience on the other hand you know 713 00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:58,559 you had a lot of philosophers from you 714 00:30:03,469 --> 00:30:00,960 know the 17th and 18th centuries who 715 00:30:05,749 --> 00:30:03,479 felt that smell was beyond reproach 716 00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:05,759 because it's sort of like the old adages 717 00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:07,769 of the nose nose and arose by any other 718 00:30:13,369 --> 00:30:10,559 name this idea that that smell is 719 00:30:15,109 --> 00:30:13,379 impartial and isn't as open to influence 720 00:30:16,459 --> 00:30:15,119 by you know visual stimuli although I 721 00:30:19,219 --> 00:30:16,469 think that you know modern olfactory 722 00:30:21,379 --> 00:30:19,229 science modern taste science proves that 723 00:30:22,700 --> 00:30:21,389 that's not quite the case I mean I can't 724 00:30:24,409 --> 00:30:22,710 tell you how many times I've expected 725 00:30:25,489 --> 00:30:24,419 one flavor and I've been into something 726 00:30:27,409 --> 00:30:25,499 and I've gotten a completely different 727 00:30:29,299 --> 00:30:27,419 flavor and it sort of freaked me out and 728 00:30:30,829 --> 00:30:29,309 I think those ideas of expectation and 729 00:30:32,959 --> 00:30:30,839 you know other data I think that has a 730 00:30:35,479 --> 00:30:32,969 very strong statement to say about the 731 00:30:39,379 --> 00:30:35,489 about how we interpret you know 732 00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:39,389 anomalous events exactly so ok so maybe 733 00:30:43,099 --> 00:30:41,369 what we have in some cases in is some 734 00:30:45,289 --> 00:30:43,109 sort of cultural association that 735 00:30:47,299 --> 00:30:45,299 activates the imagination of the person 736 00:30:48,589 --> 00:30:47,309 who's aware of it who then sees 737 00:30:50,810 --> 00:30:48,599 something out of the corner of their eye 738 00:30:52,999 --> 00:30:50,820 that is then interpreted is whatever 739 00:30:55,969 --> 00:30:53,009 that thing in their imagination might be 740 00:30:57,919 --> 00:30:55,979 so like you know maybe someone's walking 741 00:30:59,719 --> 00:30:57,929 down the street there's some sewer gas 742 00:31:02,119 --> 00:30:59,729 or there's some smell from something 743 00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:02,129 some industrial thing off and then that 744 00:31:06,379 --> 00:31:04,320 makes them think oh my god demons and 745 00:31:08,869 --> 00:31:06,389 then they're you know some dog runs by 746 00:31:12,619 --> 00:31:08,879 in the shadows and this oh it's a it's a 747 00:31:14,209 --> 00:31:12,629 you know it's a demon coming right it's 748 00:31:17,180 --> 00:31:14,219 cultural priming you know this is sort 749 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:17,190 of been hijacked I feel like by the not 750 00:31:19,849 --> 00:31:18,570 to get too critical right off the bat 751 00:31:21,139 --> 00:31:19,859 but I feel like this has sort of been 752 00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:21,149 hijacked by the you Falah djegal 753 00:31:25,129 --> 00:31:23,039 establishment by looking backwards and 754 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:25,139 saying look at these you know these 755 00:31:28,790 --> 00:31:27,450 primitive people they saw you know these 756 00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:28,800 extraterrestrials from the 757 00:31:33,530 --> 00:31:30,720 and they interpreted them as gods and 758 00:31:35,090 --> 00:31:33,540 fairies and I think that it's just as 759 00:31:37,370 --> 00:31:35,100 fair to flip that on its head in the 760 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:37,380 other direction and say you know what if 761 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:39,650 we're interpreting these much more 762 00:31:45,290 --> 00:31:42,210 anomalous much more for lack of a better 763 00:31:46,910 --> 00:31:45,300 term spiritual phenomenon not spiritual 764 00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:46,920 in the you know reductive Christian 765 00:31:50,150 --> 00:31:48,480 dichotomy of good and evil but rather in 766 00:31:51,770 --> 00:31:50,160 the sense of an ecosystem of spirits 767 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:51,780 that might exist what if we are 768 00:31:55,820 --> 00:31:54,090 interpreting that through philosophy 769 00:31:58,130 --> 00:31:55,830 wins I don't think there's a definitive 770 00:31:59,570 --> 00:31:58,140 answer either way really but I think 771 00:32:01,700 --> 00:31:59,580 that too much attention is given to 772 00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:01,710 reinterpreting events in the past three 773 00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:03,120 philosopher lands without giving 774 00:32:05,690 --> 00:32:04,200 credence to the idea that we're 775 00:32:08,450 --> 00:32:05,700 interpreting things in the modern era 776 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:08,460 through our youth our UFO lens when 777 00:32:11,810 --> 00:32:09,690 actually it's something completely 778 00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:11,820 different well then again what we're 779 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:15,360 getting is on one hand there's there's a 780 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:17,850 direction to this as we move forwards 781 00:32:21,860 --> 00:32:20,010 and people become better educated and we 782 00:32:24,050 --> 00:32:21,870 start to think of what might be a 783 00:32:27,380 --> 00:32:24,060 reasonable explanation for these 784 00:32:30,770 --> 00:32:27,390 fantastic experiences we're moving away 785 00:32:34,250 --> 00:32:30,780 from the magic and towards something 786 00:32:36,650 --> 00:32:34,260 that we could conceivably make rational 787 00:32:39,740 --> 00:32:36,660 sense of so I I think that there is a 788 00:32:42,020 --> 00:32:39,750 direction to this and I think that it's 789 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:42,030 reasonable for us to be going in that 790 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:44,250 direction as opposed to the other way 791 00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:48,570 which is kind of backwards yes III 792 00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:50,880 listen to the conversation with red pill 793 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:52,710 junky which was a great a really great 794 00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:55,290 conversation I feel like I'm completely 795 00:32:59,960 --> 00:32:58,290 open to the idea of extraterrestrials in 796 00:33:01,250 --> 00:32:59,970 a sort of materialist framework but at 797 00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:01,260 the same time I don't think that has 798 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:04,080 really gotten us anywhere substantial in 799 00:33:07,490 --> 00:33:05,490 quite some time and this is actually 800 00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:07,500 what my part of what my reframing the 801 00:33:11,860 --> 00:33:09,120 debate essay was about which was about 802 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:11,870 you know this idea that we're already 803 00:33:20,060 --> 00:33:14,730 seeding ground we're already giving up 804 00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:20,070 ground to to the non materialist 805 00:33:24,620 --> 00:33:22,260 interpretation of reality I mean by 806 00:33:28,090 --> 00:33:24,630 merit of the fact that most nuts and 807 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:28,100 bolts ufologists will say telepathy is 808 00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:29,850 something that happens in these 809 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:31,710 encounters well then you you might as 810 00:33:35,090 --> 00:33:33,090 well practically throw all of 811 00:33:38,540 --> 00:33:35,100 materialism out the window because there 812 00:33:40,220 --> 00:33:38,550 is no mechanism that can fit into the 813 00:33:41,450 --> 00:33:40,230 materialist paradigm that 814 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:41,460 accounts for that and if you're going to 815 00:33:45,860 --> 00:33:43,290 throw out materialism then it opens up a 816 00:33:48,340 --> 00:33:45,870 lot of additional possibilities and we 817 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:48,350 have to remember that the materialist 818 00:33:54,830 --> 00:33:50,970 viewpoint is something that has been 819 00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:54,840 popular in a very very small amount of 820 00:33:59,360 --> 00:33:57,840 human history and that even today in the 821 00:34:02,600 --> 00:33:59,370 West we sort of live in this instant or 822 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:02,610 bubble that scientism and materialism 823 00:34:09,169 --> 00:34:06,690 are the only games at play but we are 824 00:34:11,240 --> 00:34:09,179 still sort of a small sliver of the 825 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:11,250 population of the earth that interprets 826 00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:16,290 a lot of the world and a much more sort 827 00:34:24,399 --> 00:34:21,119 of animistic much more spiritual sort of 828 00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,409 dimension again this isn't to say that's 829 00:34:28,190 --> 00:34:26,639 that by throwing out materialism you 830 00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:28,200 throwing out science to the contrary is 831 00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:29,760 just saying that this current 832 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:32,250 understanding of the fact that things 833 00:34:39,530 --> 00:34:37,050 have to be physical is not is not always 834 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:39,540 the best most parsimonious way to 835 00:34:43,730 --> 00:34:41,850 explain certain phenomena especially 836 00:34:47,899 --> 00:34:43,740 when they fly on the face the data flies 837 00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:47,909 in the face of that sort of ethos but 838 00:34:51,980 --> 00:34:49,169 then we're getting kind of into a 839 00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:51,990 dualism discussion where okay on one 840 00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:54,960 hand you've got a physicalist point of 841 00:34:59,870 --> 00:34:56,399 view and there's a number of different 842 00:35:01,790 --> 00:34:59,880 ways of looking at that I Pro you 843 00:35:03,650 --> 00:35:01,800 probably classed me as a physicalist and 844 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:03,660 in that I believe that there's a 845 00:35:10,510 --> 00:35:07,290 physical explanation in the sense that 846 00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:10,520 there are rules to the universe that 847 00:35:15,980 --> 00:35:13,609 apply to the things that are material so 848 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:15,990 physical and material aren't necessarily 849 00:35:24,260 --> 00:35:19,530 the same but there are rules that come 850 00:35:28,430 --> 00:35:24,270 into play and when we identify those we 851 00:35:31,940 --> 00:35:28,440 can we can make and measure things that 852 00:35:34,730 --> 00:35:31,950 take place and we can do that to some 853 00:35:36,380 --> 00:35:34,740 extent with mental phenomena but the 854 00:35:38,180 --> 00:35:36,390 other side of that is the mental 855 00:35:40,010 --> 00:35:38,190 phenomena so we're either talking about 856 00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:40,020 something objectively real with a 857 00:35:45,770 --> 00:35:43,200 physical explanation as in say what is a 858 00:35:48,170 --> 00:35:45,780 mental phenomena composed of or we can 859 00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:48,180 say well what is the experience of the 860 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:51,119 mental phenomena so which are we talking 861 00:35:54,070 --> 00:35:52,530 about are we talking about something 862 00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:54,080 that is purely a construct 863 00:35:58,960 --> 00:35:56,240 someone's mind or are we talking about 864 00:36:01,180 --> 00:35:58,970 something that's subjectively real well 865 00:36:02,620 --> 00:36:01,190 um you know I think I think that there 866 00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:02,630 are a couple of things to sort of pull 867 00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:04,880 apart there um and I agree with you like 868 00:36:09,010 --> 00:36:07,280 we're using the best toolbox that we 869 00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:09,020 have and that's what science is it is 870 00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:11,200 the best toolbox that we have but 871 00:36:17,020 --> 00:36:14,510 sometimes I wonder if certain ideas and 872 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:17,030 physics are less rules and more along 873 00:36:22,420 --> 00:36:18,890 the lines of guidelines we've got Joshua 874 00:36:25,900 --> 00:36:22,430 kuchen author of books about strange 875 00:36:29,470 --> 00:36:25,910 odors strange foods I can always change 876 00:36:32,170 --> 00:36:29,480 my diet that doesn't hurt do that 877 00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:32,180 sometimes J random Murphy is our guest 878 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:37,910 co-host you're in the LA Coste 879 00:36:58,720 --> 00:36:54,190 thank you for listening to GCN be sure 880 00:37:01,000 --> 00:36:58,730 to visit GCN live.com today do you need 881 00:37:03,960 --> 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to letter from one of our 993 00:41:51,370 --> 00:41:48,950 really loyal listeners who says I'm just 994 00:41:53,710 --> 00:41:51,380 tired of hearing about UFOs but then 995 00:41:56,260 --> 00:41:53,720 suddenly if it's all related but you see 996 00:41:58,750 --> 00:41:56,270 this also an ego involved here we like 997 00:42:02,770 --> 00:41:58,760 to think that what we know now must be 998 00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:02,780 superior than what we knew then so 999 00:42:06,670 --> 00:42:04,250 whatever we thought of this kind of 1000 00:42:10,500 --> 00:42:06,680 phenomena back three hundred years ago 1001 00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:10,510 or an 1897 or whatever what we know now 1002 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:13,910 is the truth yeah I mean it's a 1003 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:15,770 constantly moving target now that isn't 1004 00:42:20,740 --> 00:42:18,770 to say that we can't to paraphrase a 1005 00:42:22,690 --> 00:42:20,750 public figure from a while back go to 1006 00:42:25,810 --> 00:42:22,700 war with the army we have rather than 1007 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:25,820 the army that we want but I still think 1008 00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:29,410 that we should be cautious of how 1009 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:33,920 progress is viewed in terms of in terms 1010 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:36,170 of scientific understanding I think the 1011 00:42:39,970 --> 00:42:37,690 point that I was trying to try to 1012 00:42:41,290 --> 00:42:39,980 elaborate on and before the before the 1013 00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:41,300 break which I didn't really do a good 1014 00:42:46,450 --> 00:42:43,760 job of is I think that um you know 1015 00:42:47,710 --> 00:42:46,460 sometimes what we consider the laws and 1016 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:47,720 rules of the universe might be more 1017 00:42:53,020 --> 00:42:51,170 flexible than we account for I mean you 1018 00:42:55,570 --> 00:42:53,030 might say that it's it's sort of a law 1019 00:42:58,060 --> 00:42:55,580 that if I rest my pencil on my desk it's 1020 00:43:01,300 --> 00:42:58,070 going to stay there but as the 1021 00:43:02,620 --> 00:43:01,310 admittedly reductive point is often made 1022 00:43:05,650 --> 00:43:02,630 and you know as high school physics 1023 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:05,660 classes if somehow the atoms in one 1024 00:43:10,270 --> 00:43:07,850 object could align in the Attic with the 1025 00:43:12,070 --> 00:43:10,280 atoms of another object in a precise way 1026 00:43:14,740 --> 00:43:12,080 because there's so much you know empty 1027 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:14,750 space in an object between atoms that it 1028 00:43:18,730 --> 00:43:16,610 could conceivably fall through it so I 1029 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:18,740 think that this idea that the universe 1030 00:43:24,250 --> 00:43:22,010 functions like a clock is a little bit a 1031 00:43:26,990 --> 00:43:24,260 little bit reductive for me and the idea 1032 00:43:29,090 --> 00:43:27,000 that if it can't happen in a 1033 00:43:30,890 --> 00:43:29,100 it's not a thing is it something that 1034 00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:30,900 I'm sure that it all lists all the 1035 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:32,160 listeners of the para cast will 1036 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:34,410 empathize with I mean you don't measure 1037 00:43:38,050 --> 00:43:36,690 tides in a wash basin and you don't 1038 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:38,060 measure a quarterback's 1039 00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:40,530 performance on a treadmill you just you 1040 00:43:44,090 --> 00:43:42,630 know you just don't I think that one of 1041 00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:44,100 the things that is tearing down the 1042 00:43:49,130 --> 00:43:45,510 materials establishment and a good 1043 00:43:50,900 --> 00:43:49,140 scientific well reasoned way is some of 1044 00:43:52,940 --> 00:43:50,910 the size phenomena research that you see 1045 00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:52,950 the Dean ratings the Rupert Sheldrake's 1046 00:43:57,530 --> 00:43:55,760 the Darrell bins well the guy who was at 1047 00:43:59,360 --> 00:43:57,540 University of Virginia who did 1048 00:44:01,040 --> 00:43:59,370 reincarnation research I mean which 1049 00:44:03,230 --> 00:44:01,050 whose name is escaping me right now but 1050 00:44:05,570 --> 00:44:03,240 these are the sort of people that I 1051 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:05,580 think are really sort of trying to help 1052 00:44:11,540 --> 00:44:08,970 us to understand that something that is 1053 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:11,550 a completely interiorized phenomena like 1054 00:44:17,660 --> 00:44:15,810 our consciousness like like our our mind 1055 00:44:19,370 --> 00:44:17,670 rather than our brain can have a 1056 00:44:20,930 --> 00:44:19,380 physical effect on the world I mean if 1057 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:20,940 you look at you know sort of the 1058 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:23,370 Aleister Crowley definition of magic the 1059 00:44:28,190 --> 00:44:26,130 very act of picking up your pencil is an 1060 00:44:30,140 --> 00:44:28,200 act of magic in the real world because 1061 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:30,150 it was a thought that you had that you 1062 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:32,970 willed into reality so in that sense you 1063 00:44:36,110 --> 00:44:34,170 know every time we go into the cinema 1064 00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:36,120 we're seeing magic this is an idea that 1065 00:44:41,450 --> 00:44:38,400 someone has had that they have made they 1066 00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:41,460 have manifest they have manifest as a 1067 00:44:47,540 --> 00:44:44,640 physical objective presentation that 1068 00:44:49,370 --> 00:44:47,550 seems to be kind of more an interpretive 1069 00:44:51,170 --> 00:44:49,380 thing on a subjective level I mean one 1070 00:44:53,330 --> 00:44:51,180 could just as easily say it's an 1071 00:44:55,220 --> 00:44:53,340 intellectual accomplishment there is a 1072 00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:55,230 history to film there is a science to 1073 00:44:59,150 --> 00:44:57,450 film and there's a way that it works and 1074 00:45:00,050 --> 00:44:59,160 it has to work a certain way or it just 1075 00:45:02,030 --> 00:45:00,060 doesn't work 1076 00:45:03,860 --> 00:45:02,040 you can't just magically make it work 1077 00:45:05,900 --> 00:45:03,870 you have to have a projector you've got 1078 00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:05,910 to have light you've got to have all the 1079 00:45:09,770 --> 00:45:08,160 materials in place otherwise it just 1080 00:45:12,530 --> 00:45:09,780 won't work I think the guy you were 1081 00:45:14,420 --> 00:45:12,540 thinking of it was maybe Stephenson yes 1082 00:45:17,900 --> 00:45:14,430 Ian Stevenson exactly yes that Greg I 1083 00:45:19,610 --> 00:45:17,910 looked into those claims as far as I 1084 00:45:21,740 --> 00:45:19,620 could just with the information 1085 00:45:24,110 --> 00:45:21,750 available on the Internet and some of us 1086 00:45:26,510 --> 00:45:24,120 pretty interesting but there are still 1087 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:26,520 gaps where there needs to be a leap and 1088 00:45:32,090 --> 00:45:29,370 logic made from the assumption that 1089 00:45:34,970 --> 00:45:32,100 there's some memory that seems to 1090 00:45:38,900 --> 00:45:34,980 correspond to those of a historical 1091 00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:38,910 figure and saying that that person who 1092 00:45:42,270 --> 00:45:40,000 has those memories 1093 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:42,280 is now the reincarnation or is that 1094 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:45,490 person in some say child's body there's 1095 00:45:51,210 --> 00:45:48,610 some real philosophical and critical 1096 00:45:53,130 --> 00:45:51,220 thinking gaps there I would agree with 1097 00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:53,140 that I think that that is by far of the 1098 00:45:55,980 --> 00:45:54,160 people that I mentioned the most 1099 00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:55,990 anecdotal because you have to have a 1100 00:46:00,180 --> 00:45:58,210 working concept how working you know 1101 00:46:02,130 --> 00:46:00,190 framework through which to interpret 1102 00:46:04,290 --> 00:46:02,140 these reincarnated birthmarks and 1103 00:46:04,770 --> 00:46:04,300 whatnot so yeah I I will totally totally 1104 00:46:06,450 --> 00:46:04,780 agree with that 1105 00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:06,460 I think there's work is compelling and 1106 00:46:10,380 --> 00:46:09,250 interesting on a an anecdotal level but 1107 00:46:12,570 --> 00:46:10,390 if you look at some of the people who 1108 00:46:16,050 --> 00:46:12,580 are operating with you know pretty 1109 00:46:18,750 --> 00:46:16,060 strict pretty strict scientific rigor 1110 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:18,760 and are meeting that 7 Sigma threshold I 1111 00:46:23,490 --> 00:46:21,130 think that's that's sort of a different 1112 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:23,500 ballgame there there's some interesting 1113 00:46:28,430 --> 00:46:25,450 stuff and and I wouldn't discourage the 1114 00:46:32,460 --> 00:46:28,440 research but I do think that we need to 1115 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:32,470 maybe step up our sceptile ittle bit and 1116 00:46:37,950 --> 00:46:34,930 make sure that when we hear these claims 1117 00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:37,960 that we do look into the background as 1118 00:46:41,460 --> 00:46:39,310 much as possible like we have the 1119 00:46:43,790 --> 00:46:41,470 near-death experiences and we have 1120 00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:43,800 people who claim that well they were 1121 00:46:47,730 --> 00:46:46,510 clinically dead and yet they remember 1122 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:47,740 things that happened in operating 1123 00:46:53,610 --> 00:46:51,010 theaters and those are fine anecdotes 1124 00:46:55,740 --> 00:46:53,620 but there are explanations for that sort 1125 00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:55,750 of thing and there is one study where 1126 00:47:02,520 --> 00:46:59,040 they've taken a device that displays 1127 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:02,530 messages put it up out of the view of 1128 00:47:08,010 --> 00:47:04,530 the patients in an operating theatre 1129 00:47:11,550 --> 00:47:08,020 precisely for this experiment in a 1130 00:47:13,830 --> 00:47:11,560 cardiac operating suite hundreds and 1131 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:13,840 hundreds of patients none of them were 1132 00:47:20,580 --> 00:47:17,410 able to say what that message was so as 1133 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:20,590 there's really no evidence for the 1134 00:47:24,210 --> 00:47:22,690 actual taking place of somebody rising 1135 00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:24,220 out of their body and experiencing 1136 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:27,520 something from a remote distance there's 1137 00:47:32,910 --> 00:47:31,330 no there is no laboratory controlled 1138 00:47:34,830 --> 00:47:32,920 evidence or the laboratory controlled 1139 00:47:37,230 --> 00:47:34,840 evidence is weaker yes I will agree with 1140 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:37,240 that you do have occasionally you do 1141 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:40,330 have vertical confirmation of some 1142 00:47:45,540 --> 00:47:42,930 people who have seen or experienced 1143 00:47:46,770 --> 00:47:45,550 events in completely separate rooms that 1144 00:47:47,940 --> 00:47:46,780 I find a really compelling but again 1145 00:47:49,980 --> 00:47:47,950 we're talking about in the anecdotal 1146 00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:49,990 stuff here I find it interesting when 1147 00:47:54,060 --> 00:47:52,240 you have somebody well I mean again he's 1148 00:47:56,460 --> 00:47:54,070 somebody that I think is really an 1149 00:47:59,340 --> 00:47:56,470 is doing a great job someone like a 1150 00:48:03,890 --> 00:47:59,350 Rupert Sheldrake who is really doing his 1151 00:48:06,330 --> 00:48:03,900 level best to conduct experiments with 1152 00:48:08,550 --> 00:48:06,340 scientific rigor and his finding that 1153 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:08,560 you know of his famous pet telepathy 1154 00:48:14,210 --> 00:48:11,890 work where despite randomizing to return 1155 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:14,220 times despite randomizing types of cars 1156 00:48:20,700 --> 00:48:18,010 distances etc dogs tend to rush and wait 1157 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:20,710 by a window or a door when their owners 1158 00:48:24,650 --> 00:48:21,850 start the return journey 1159 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:24,660 I mean he's if you look at that research 1160 00:48:30,810 --> 00:48:28,090 which has been attacked quite a bit but 1161 00:48:32,820 --> 00:48:30,820 attack in some pretty dishonest ways III 1162 00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:32,830 think that it's compelling that there's 1163 00:48:35,730 --> 00:48:35,110 something there and again like that what 1164 00:48:37,830 --> 00:48:35,740 does this mean 1165 00:48:39,690 --> 00:48:37,840 does it mean that we are all playing out 1166 00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:39,700 a script that we're all we've all been 1167 00:48:46,110 --> 00:48:41,440 given you know is this this is the idea 1168 00:48:48,660 --> 00:48:46,120 of fate is the idea of is someone seeing 1169 00:48:51,300 --> 00:48:48,670 something in a separate room of the 1170 00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:51,310 hospital is that because they were near 1171 00:48:53,970 --> 00:48:52,480 death and they loved it in and out of 1172 00:48:56,370 --> 00:48:53,980 their body or their you know remote 1173 00:48:57,720 --> 00:48:56,380 viewing prior to it prior to the event 1174 00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:57,730 and their remote viewing into the future 1175 00:49:02,010 --> 00:48:59,440 or any number of things I'm just my 1176 00:49:02,910 --> 00:49:02,020 thing is that if any one of these things 1177 00:49:05,580 --> 00:49:02,920 are possible 1178 00:49:06,750 --> 00:49:05,590 coupled with you know a lot of the talk 1179 00:49:09,180 --> 00:49:06,760 this so the consciousness research 1180 00:49:11,810 --> 00:49:09,190 coupled with quantum physics research 1181 00:49:13,740 --> 00:49:11,820 which I am in no way capable of 1182 00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:13,750 discussing because I think that I'm 1183 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:15,520 gonna leave that up to the physicist no 1184 00:49:21,540 --> 00:49:17,890 I wanna throw one thing out here the 1185 00:49:22,530 --> 00:49:21,550 words quantum physics are sometimes used 1186 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:22,540 as a Dodge 1187 00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:26,170 hey it's some new scientific finger your 1188 00:49:30,060 --> 00:49:28,720 other will call it quantum physics and 1189 00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:30,070 then they can just drop the subject 1190 00:49:33,060 --> 00:49:31,510 because they have no idea what they're 1191 00:49:34,050 --> 00:49:33,070 talking about that's part of the reason 1192 00:49:35,580 --> 00:49:34,060 that I don't like to talk about it 1193 00:49:37,590 --> 00:49:35,590 because I that's not you know that's not 1194 00:49:40,590 --> 00:49:37,600 really in my wheelhouse but I think that 1195 00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:40,600 if any one of these things is has us has 1196 00:49:46,830 --> 00:49:44,160 a shred of truth then it completely 1197 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:46,840 brings materialism down like a house of 1198 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:48,610 cards how do you figure that 1199 00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:50,890 see I don't see a disconnect there let's 1200 00:49:56,310 --> 00:49:53,530 suppose that we have something like 1201 00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:56,320 we're able to let's discuss telepathy 1202 00:50:00,960 --> 00:49:58,480 all we're talking about there is some 1203 00:50:04,260 --> 00:50:00,970 sort of information transfer we know our 1204 00:50:06,450 --> 00:50:04,270 our brains are transceivers 1205 00:50:11,070 --> 00:50:06,460 perhaps what we're dealing with is some 1206 00:50:12,990 --> 00:50:11,080 sort of as if yet undiscovered method 1207 00:50:15,930 --> 00:50:13,000 physical method that we just don't know 1208 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:15,940 what it is like magnetism for example we 1209 00:50:20,730 --> 00:50:17,770 really still don't know what that is we 1210 00:50:23,460 --> 00:50:20,740 talk about virtual photons and that sort 1211 00:50:25,790 --> 00:50:23,470 of thing and yet we've got now Maxwell's 1212 00:50:28,770 --> 00:50:25,800 equations we're able to make use of 1213 00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:28,780 electromagnetism to run our world in 1214 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:32,050 ways that pretty much account for our 1215 00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:34,810 level of modern technology we might not 1216 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:36,160 be able to explain it at the most 1217 00:50:40,820 --> 00:50:39,010 fundamental level but that doesn't mean 1218 00:50:43,140 --> 00:50:40,830 that there's nothing physical going on 1219 00:50:45,860 --> 00:50:43,150 materialism holds that the fundamental 1220 00:50:48,780 --> 00:50:45,870 constant of reality is is literally 1221 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:48,790 matter that human consciousness is an 1222 00:50:52,650 --> 00:50:50,290 illusory by-product it's an 1223 00:50:53,250 --> 00:50:52,660 epiphenomenon of the brain this is the 1224 00:50:56,010 --> 00:50:53,260 key point 1225 00:50:57,180 --> 00:50:56,020 just because materialism is falsified 1226 00:50:59,070 --> 00:50:57,190 doesn't mean that the scientific method 1227 00:51:00,930 --> 00:50:59,080 is falsified doesn't mean that there are 1228 00:51:04,140 --> 00:51:00,940 certain things that we can measure it 1229 00:51:06,270 --> 00:51:04,150 just means that there can be an 1230 00:51:08,340 --> 00:51:06,280 influence of something non-physical and 1231 00:51:11,790 --> 00:51:08,350 internalize like human conscious there 1232 00:51:13,790 --> 00:51:11,800 is no room for telepathy and in a 1233 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:13,800 materialist construct there was a 1234 00:51:17,370 --> 00:51:16,090 philosopher physicist physicist Mario 1235 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:17,380 Bunge that said that you know 1236 00:51:21,810 --> 00:51:19,210 precognition violates the principle of 1237 00:51:23,970 --> 00:51:21,820 antecedents psychokinesis violates the 1238 00:51:26,250 --> 00:51:23,980 conservation of energy telepathy and 1239 00:51:29,310 --> 00:51:26,260 precognition are incompatible were to 1240 00:51:37,859 --> 00:51:29,320 come joshua 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00:54:20,370 violated by notions of precognition 1297 00:54:23,590 --> 00:54:22,260 which you know appear in a lot of these 1298 00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:23,600 cases that we're talking about 1299 00:54:27,170 --> 00:54:25,920 psychokinesis which has almost been 1300 00:54:29,450 --> 00:54:27,180 completely proven in laboratory 1301 00:54:31,550 --> 00:54:29,460 experiments violates the principle of 1302 00:54:33,110 --> 00:54:31,560 the conservation of energy and telepathy 1303 00:54:35,150 --> 00:54:33,120 and precognition are completely 1304 00:54:37,100 --> 00:54:35,160 incompatible with the principles of 1305 00:54:41,420 --> 00:54:37,110 gaining knowledge with some sort of 1306 00:54:44,930 --> 00:54:41,430 sense perception and you know it's this 1307 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:44,940 idea that it's not saying that one of 1308 00:54:48,700 --> 00:54:46,410 the other is wrong is just saying that 1309 00:54:51,890 --> 00:54:48,710 they are incompatible with these sort of 1310 00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:51,900 artificial human-made restrictions that 1311 00:54:56,780 --> 00:54:54,090 we put on the gaining of information and 1312 00:54:58,970 --> 00:54:56,790 the way that consciousness interacts 1313 00:55:01,310 --> 00:54:58,980 with the real world i mean it's i think 1314 00:55:05,420 --> 00:55:01,320 i think it's a subtle distinction but i 1315 00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:05,430 I don't think that you can say that 1316 00:55:10,850 --> 00:55:08,250 there is any real place in strict 1317 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:10,860 nineteenth-century materialism which is 1318 00:55:14,540 --> 00:55:13,290 what a lot of a lot of you know the 1319 00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:14,550 scientific establishment is holding on 1320 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:16,770 to there is no place for psy phenomena 1321 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:19,770 in that model because it's because it's 1322 00:55:23,210 --> 00:55:21,810 not as it's not as measurable well 1323 00:55:25,850 --> 00:55:23,220 that's true I mean if we're going to 1324 00:55:27,950 --> 00:55:25,860 stick to that particular definition of 1325 00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:27,960 materialism well I think we need to be 1326 00:55:32,270 --> 00:55:30,210 able to expand our thinking out and 1327 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:32,280 that's that's why I I go into something 1328 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:33,810 you know particular version of 1329 00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:36,410 physicalism which takes into account 1330 00:55:41,090 --> 00:55:38,880 various forces including the fundamental 1331 00:55:42,590 --> 00:55:41,100 forces of nature which scientists 1332 00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:42,600 themselves they don't know how to 1333 00:55:47,180 --> 00:55:44,730 explain them they just kind of know the 1334 00:55:48,500 --> 00:55:47,190 rules that they obey so I definitely 1335 00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:48,510 think we're on the same page with that I 1336 00:55:53,810 --> 00:55:50,880 mean it's I'm specifically talking about 1337 00:55:56,690 --> 00:55:53,820 this idea that it is only material that 1338 00:55:58,280 --> 00:55:56,700 has an influence in the world I think 1339 00:56:00,680 --> 00:55:58,290 that we're on the same page yeah I think 1340 00:56:02,900 --> 00:56:00,690 so too because definitely we can look 1341 00:56:04,430 --> 00:56:02,910 when you say okay we have a vision in 1342 00:56:06,500 --> 00:56:04,440 our mind of something that we want to 1343 00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:06,510 create and when we make that into a 1344 00:56:08,370 --> 00:56:07,170 reality 1345 00:56:12,100 --> 00:56:08,380 it 1346 00:56:16,300 --> 00:56:12,110 some communication between that thought 1347 00:56:19,390 --> 00:56:16,310 whatever a mental thought is and the 1348 00:56:20,770 --> 00:56:19,400 objectively real world where I have a 1349 00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:20,780 problem of course is where someone says 1350 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:22,640 that they can just sort of conjure up 1351 00:56:30,550 --> 00:56:25,850 things out of thin air but the pics or 1352 00:56:32,500 --> 00:56:30,560 it didn't happen right and yet yeah in 1353 00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:32,510 our last episode with red pill Jackie 1354 00:56:37,630 --> 00:56:35,090 you know I proposed perhaps a method 1355 00:56:39,610 --> 00:56:37,640 whereby maybe it might be possible if 1356 00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:39,620 we're in some giant simulation of some 1357 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:42,770 kind and we can access that the great 1358 00:56:49,330 --> 00:56:46,010 operating system somehow who knows maybe 1359 00:56:53,230 --> 00:56:49,340 there's just some way that it's possible 1360 00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:53,240 in a logical rational way that we just 1361 00:56:58,540 --> 00:56:55,520 aren't aware of so I kind of resist 1362 00:57:00,310 --> 00:56:58,550 going backwards and thinking well we'll 1363 00:57:02,500 --> 00:57:00,320 just call it magic and and not try to 1364 00:57:04,270 --> 00:57:02,510 bother explaining it for me it's it's a 1365 00:57:06,310 --> 00:57:04,280 death by a thousand cuts sort of thing 1366 00:57:09,550 --> 00:57:06,320 and also combined with a slippery slope 1367 00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:09,560 sort of model because if if this ground 1368 00:57:14,380 --> 00:57:12,050 is given to something other than 1369 00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:14,390 materialism then well you know as Alex 1370 00:57:18,070 --> 00:57:16,400 Icarus on sceptical once said then 1371 00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:18,080 consciousness is an X Factor and 1372 00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:20,210 literally every experiment that we talk 1373 00:57:25,300 --> 00:57:21,530 about and then you have to say well 1374 00:57:26,530 --> 00:57:25,310 these seem to be rules physical rules of 1375 00:57:28,300 --> 00:57:26,540 the universe because we can never 1376 00:57:30,130 --> 00:57:28,310 account so I'm sorry physical stop 1377 00:57:31,450 --> 00:57:30,140 guidelines of universe rather than rules 1378 00:57:33,490 --> 00:57:31,460 because we can never account for the x 1379 00:57:35,470 --> 00:57:33,500 factor of consciousness and then from 1380 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:35,480 then it just feels like a collapse of 1381 00:57:39,130 --> 00:57:37,010 dominoes that say well you know what 1382 00:57:42,130 --> 00:57:39,140 perhaps there is some sort of you know 1383 00:57:45,490 --> 00:57:42,140 if I can if I can have some sort of 1384 00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:45,500 effect or interpretation of my natural 1385 00:57:54,910 --> 00:57:50,330 world by using my mental power then it's 1386 00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:54,920 not that far of not that not that long 1387 00:57:59,440 --> 00:57:57,770 of a bow to draw so to speak until 1388 00:58:01,060 --> 00:57:59,450 you're saying to yourself well maybe 1389 00:58:03,250 --> 00:58:01,070 there is something there's some sort of 1390 00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:03,260 validity to a dis incarnate entity that 1391 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:04,730 can have an effect in the world I guess 1392 00:58:08,350 --> 00:58:07,010 what I'm getting at is sort of bring 1393 00:58:11,380 --> 00:58:08,360 this back around to something a little 1394 00:58:14,290 --> 00:58:11,390 bit more tangible for us to discuss I am 1395 00:58:17,110 --> 00:58:14,300 NOT anti ETH and the idea that I think 1396 00:58:18,850 --> 00:58:17,120 there's no validity to it I just think 1397 00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:18,860 that it's gotten so much attention when 1398 00:58:25,090 --> 00:58:21,680 there are a lot of other more s 1399 00:58:26,830 --> 00:58:25,100 tarek ideas that I think should be 1400 00:58:29,050 --> 00:58:26,840 entertained with a little bit more of a 1401 00:58:30,580 --> 00:58:29,060 serious serious attitude especially in 1402 00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:30,590 the face of you know some of these 1403 00:58:36,970 --> 00:58:34,130 really good consciousness tests and and 1404 00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:36,980 laboratory experiments okay I'm still 1405 00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:38,480 sort of seeing that arrow we talked 1406 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:40,160 about before kind of going backwards 1407 00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:42,410 there as opposed to forwards like okay 1408 00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:45,920 we've got these the mythology 1409 00:58:51,910 --> 00:58:49,130 we've got phenomena that you believe is 1410 00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:51,920 objectively real in terms of fairies or 1411 00:58:57,490 --> 00:58:55,250 elves or a number of other strange 1412 00:58:59,560 --> 00:58:57,500 things that take place and don't get me 1413 00:59:02,440 --> 00:58:59,570 wrong I've experienced strange things I 1414 00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:02,450 know it happens I believe people who say 1415 00:59:07,450 --> 00:59:05,450 they've experienced these things I just 1416 00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:07,460 don't know exactly how they're possible 1417 00:59:15,340 --> 00:59:10,400 so when I look at that I say well okay 1418 00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:15,350 well why why couldn't something of much 1419 00:59:20,980 --> 00:59:17,810 higher technology than we have ants and 1420 00:59:23,350 --> 00:59:20,990 more advanced mental ability be able to 1421 00:59:25,060 --> 00:59:23,360 explain all of this and when you start 1422 00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:25,070 putting things like telepathy and 1423 00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:27,680 anti-gravity and active camouflage 1424 00:59:32,170 --> 00:59:30,650 together you've got pretty much all the 1425 00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:32,180 ingredients you need to make anything 1426 00:59:40,270 --> 00:59:37,280 appear to be real so why should we go 1427 00:59:42,310 --> 00:59:40,280 backwards to looking at magic when we 1428 00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:42,320 can look forwards and say well maybe we 1429 00:59:47,140 --> 00:59:45,440 are dealing with a more advanced species 1430 00:59:49,390 --> 00:59:47,150 of some kind who's come here to study us 1431 00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:49,400 and create these things for us in order 1432 00:59:54,130 --> 00:59:52,610 to look to study our reaction no I think 1433 00:59:57,100 --> 00:59:54,140 it's a good point and you know anybody 1434 00:59:58,750 --> 00:59:57,110 who's listening I I'm not sure that you 1435 01:00:01,390 --> 00:59:58,760 know I'm big into the fairy folklore I'm 1436 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:01,400 not sure in any sense in fact I'm kind 1437 01:00:06,460 --> 01:00:04,010 of skeptical of the idea that that sort 1438 01:00:09,850 --> 01:00:06,470 of framework is accurately describing 1439 01:00:11,290 --> 01:00:09,860 what I would call the phenomena I think 1440 01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:11,300 that it's a means of interpreting it 1441 01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:13,370 just like I think that whatever the UFO 1442 01:00:18,580 --> 01:00:14,810 thing is a means of interpreting it as 1443 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:18,590 well you know I just I think that really 1444 01:00:24,970 --> 01:00:22,010 what it comes down to me is is is the 1445 01:00:28,270 --> 01:00:24,980 double-edged nature of that arthur c 1446 01:00:29,770 --> 01:00:28,280 clarke ism you know any any any 1447 01:00:32,170 --> 01:00:29,780 sufficiently advanced technology is 1448 01:00:33,370 --> 01:00:32,180 indistinguishable from magic then magic 1449 01:00:35,020 --> 01:00:33,380 is indistinguishable form any 1450 01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:35,030 sufficiently advanced technology 1451 01:00:39,970 --> 01:00:37,370 here we are without something tangible 1452 01:00:42,610 --> 01:00:39,980 to measure we're left scratching our 1453 01:00:45,250 --> 01:00:42,620 head as to which is which and if you 1454 01:00:49,630 --> 01:00:45,260 look at sort of the global 1455 01:00:52,500 --> 01:00:49,640 interpretations of this spiritual 1456 01:00:55,180 --> 01:00:52,510 understanding of yeah the M word magic 1457 01:00:58,120 --> 01:00:55,190 there seems to be a parsimony that I 1458 01:01:02,200 --> 01:00:58,130 find lacking with a lot of the 1459 01:01:04,300 --> 01:01:02,210 scientific explanations for for the UFO 1460 01:01:05,860 --> 01:01:04,310 problem I mean I think that there is 1461 01:01:08,650 --> 01:01:05,870 means this sort of a separate issue but 1462 01:01:11,830 --> 01:01:08,660 I think that the fact that there is a 1463 01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:11,840 replication crisis in science where it's 1464 01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:13,760 becoming less and less possible to 1465 01:01:17,890 --> 01:01:15,410 verify the results a lot of a lot of 1466 01:01:19,930 --> 01:01:17,900 these peer review papers it's a lot it's 1467 01:01:21,370 --> 01:01:19,940 becoming a lot more difficult to you 1468 01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:21,380 know methodologically replicate or 1469 01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:23,570 reproduce a lot of these findings on 1470 01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:25,760 subsequent investigation I think that 1471 01:01:30,220 --> 01:01:28,160 says something to the fact that we're 1472 01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:30,230 living in a much stranger world than we 1473 01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:31,850 then we then we realize and I think that 1474 01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:34,250 it just it brings up the question that 1475 01:01:37,030 --> 01:01:35,570 we might be dealing with something 1476 01:01:39,100 --> 01:01:37,040 stranger now to your to your point of 1477 01:01:43,780 --> 01:01:39,110 you know the fact that if you do have 1478 01:01:45,910 --> 01:01:43,790 this sort of perfect storm of stealth 1479 01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:45,920 technology and of anti-gravity X and 1480 01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:48,290 again that Bugaboo telepathy which I 1481 01:01:54,460 --> 01:01:50,090 still think is causing the question 1482 01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:54,470 everything else if if if we have this 1483 01:01:58,840 --> 01:01:56,810 sort of perfect storm of technology and 1484 01:02:00,610 --> 01:01:58,850 in you know sort of evolutionary 1485 01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:00,620 advancement that that doesn't explain 1486 01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:02,720 the UFO thing I completely agree it does 1487 01:02:09,100 --> 01:02:07,730 but it seems like that plus the 1488 01:02:12,100 --> 01:02:09,110 synchronicities that a lot of 1489 01:02:13,750 --> 01:02:12,110 experiencers encounter the fact that 1490 01:02:16,510 --> 01:02:13,760 they will often have what they interpret 1491 01:02:18,070 --> 01:02:16,520 as spiritual awakenings or they'll 1492 01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:18,080 experience sigh effects themselves as 1493 01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:19,730 well I mean even even Betty Hill 1494 01:02:24,250 --> 01:02:22,130 predicted the death of the car accident 1495 01:02:26,830 --> 01:02:24,260 deaths of several friends you know I 1496 01:02:28,270 --> 01:02:26,840 think that that to me hints that there's 1497 01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:28,280 something a little bit weirder going on 1498 01:02:33,190 --> 01:02:31,130 than nuts and bolts the spacecraft and 1499 01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:33,200 little green scientists that's just from 1500 01:02:37,300 --> 01:02:34,690 where I'm sitting now if you know 1501 01:02:38,830 --> 01:02:37,310 honestly if you hold my feet to the fire 1502 01:02:41,710 --> 01:02:38,840 I mean there's there's so much evidence 1503 01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:41,720 for you know that there's there's 1504 01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:43,650 evidence for 1505 01:02:48,199 --> 01:02:46,170 the physicality of this phenomena there 1506 01:02:49,819 --> 01:02:48,209 are so many rumors of crashes and such I 1507 01:02:51,620 --> 01:02:49,829 wouldn't doubt if there's some sort of 1508 01:02:55,370 --> 01:02:51,630 like you know middle way if there's some 1509 01:02:57,410 --> 01:02:55,380 sort of hybrid approach if there's some 1510 01:03:01,370 --> 01:02:57,420 sort of hybrid approach we're not not 1511 01:03:03,829 --> 01:03:01,380 hyper than the alien-human hybrid idea 1512 01:03:06,229 --> 01:03:03,839 but a hybrid approach that we are seeing 1513 01:03:09,189 --> 01:03:06,239 a physical phenomenon of some 1514 01:03:12,019 --> 01:03:09,199 description that is tapping into a 1515 01:03:13,939 --> 01:03:12,029 universe that is not materialist as we 1516 01:03:15,439 --> 01:03:13,949 understand it and I'm kind of ok with 1517 01:03:16,939 --> 01:03:15,449 that too 1518 01:03:19,579 --> 01:03:16,949 again I just don't think the discussion 1519 01:03:23,059 --> 01:03:19,589 is being had I would I would like to see 1520 01:03:25,759 --> 01:03:23,069 more serious discussion of of the the 1521 01:03:29,029 --> 01:03:25,769 whoo quite frankly because I think that 1522 01:03:31,099 --> 01:03:29,039 there is something embedded in that that 1523 01:03:32,660 --> 01:03:31,109 as long as you keep in a level head 1524 01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:32,670 there is there there's something very 1525 01:03:37,579 --> 01:03:34,559 worthwhile to address in that we've got 1526 01:03:44,740 --> 01:03:37,589 more to address with Joshua kuchen and 1527 01:03:50,130 --> 01:03:47,150 [Music] 1528 01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:50,140 neighbors we've made such a deal with 1529 01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:53,050 hellofresh and it means that everyone 1530 01:03:59,220 --> 01:03:56,410 listening to this show can 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01:08:28,259 satisfies the bass voice I mean I look 1641 01:08:32,839 --> 01:08:30,779 to sort of the gold standard for that as 1642 01:08:35,329 --> 01:08:32,849 you know David bard wrong with blood 1643 01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:35,339 sweat and tears some great fantastic 1644 01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:37,170 tuba playing in those group but you know 1645 01:08:41,059 --> 01:08:39,449 you know there's a lot of a couple bands 1646 01:08:42,470 --> 01:08:41,069 out there who are doing things that are 1647 01:08:44,209 --> 01:08:42,480 a little bit more fusion II especially 1648 01:08:45,499 --> 01:08:44,219 if it's got a you Eastern European Flair 1649 01:08:48,829 --> 01:08:45,509 or if it's got a sort of a New Orleans 1650 01:08:50,450 --> 01:08:48,839 flair using tuba in that context you 1651 01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:50,460 know but a lot of most of what I do is 1652 01:08:56,780 --> 01:08:50,880 you know 1653 01:08:59,689 --> 01:08:56,790 can be just as versatile as a double 1654 01:09:01,669 --> 01:08:59,699 bass as a string bass and you know a lot 1655 01:09:03,859 --> 01:09:01,679 of New Orleans style brass band stuff 1656 01:09:05,300 --> 01:09:03,869 and a lot of again Balkan style brass 1657 01:09:08,959 --> 01:09:05,310 band they're a couple bands here in town 1658 01:09:10,579 --> 01:09:08,969 that play in a sort of Balkan style I'm 1659 01:09:13,669 --> 01:09:10,589 playing with a group that describes 1660 01:09:16,349 --> 01:09:13,679 itself as an afro klezmer Orchestra uh 1661 01:09:19,570 --> 01:09:16,359 who watch this next weekend 1662 01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:19,580 an afro klezmer Orchestra I'm playing a 1663 01:09:23,770 --> 01:09:21,770 but Mitzvah on next weekend 1664 01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:23,780 it's a strange life for some reason it's 1665 01:09:26,620 --> 01:09:25,250 a really busy time of year for me right 1666 01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:26,630 now generally speaking as a tuba player 1667 01:09:31,539 --> 01:09:29,290 you're most busy during Mardi Gras and 1668 01:09:33,099 --> 01:09:31,549 Oktoberfest and right now we're sort of 1669 01:09:35,440 --> 01:09:33,109 here in Linz and I've got you know about 1670 01:09:37,480 --> 01:09:35,450 eight different shows in five weeks so 1671 01:09:39,700 --> 01:09:37,490 I'm staying busy well just make sure 1672 01:09:41,860 --> 01:09:39,710 there are no strange foods or odors in 1673 01:09:43,150 --> 01:09:41,870 connection with what you're doing well 1674 01:09:44,770 --> 01:09:43,160 with me around there's usually always a 1675 01:09:46,710 --> 01:09:44,780 strange odor so I don't know I'll do my 1676 01:09:49,270 --> 01:09:46,720 best 1677 01:09:51,849 --> 01:09:49,280 the thing I wonder though is as this 1678 01:09:53,860 --> 01:09:51,859 stuff gets more and more complicated and 1679 01:09:56,110 --> 01:09:53,870 that explains of course why some people 1680 01:09:57,580 --> 01:09:56,120 are obsessed with UFOs as totally 1681 01:09:58,990 --> 01:09:57,590 different or separate from anything any 1682 01:10:01,600 --> 01:09:59,000 of these other things is because they'd 1683 01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:01,610 like their lives to be simple but as we 1684 01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:03,410 add all these other factors it gets very 1685 01:10:07,780 --> 01:10:05,810 very complicated I would agree with that 1686 01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:07,790 you know and and I don't want to come 1687 01:10:12,700 --> 01:10:10,610 off as too defensive ran Randall yeah I 1688 01:10:14,740 --> 01:10:12,710 mean if you look at you know if you look 1689 01:10:17,380 --> 01:10:14,750 at anything in your life it's going to 1690 01:10:19,890 --> 01:10:17,390 be anything anything pretty much there 1691 01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:19,900 are few things in your life that are 1692 01:10:25,390 --> 01:10:22,970 isolated that don't exist within a 1693 01:10:27,730 --> 01:10:25,400 spectrum of other things influencing 1694 01:10:29,500 --> 01:10:27,740 your life you know I've got to go get my 1695 01:10:31,660 --> 01:10:29,510 car fixed well that's contingent upon 1696 01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:31,670 how much money I have it's contingent 1697 01:10:35,050 --> 01:10:33,530 upon my schedule it's contingent upon 1698 01:10:37,270 --> 01:10:35,060 how long I've owned the car and whether 1699 01:10:39,730 --> 01:10:37,280 or not it's worth fixing its can so I 1700 01:10:42,310 --> 01:10:39,740 think the idea that any of these one 1701 01:10:45,070 --> 01:10:42,320 sort of pockets of for Tianna can exist 1702 01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:45,080 in isolation is a nice idea but you know 1703 01:10:48,790 --> 01:10:46,970 I don't know how practical it is yeah 1704 01:10:51,610 --> 01:10:48,800 first of all by all means don't 1705 01:10:53,710 --> 01:10:51,620 apologise when I heard you were going to 1706 01:10:56,410 --> 01:10:53,720 be on I was really looking forward to it 1707 01:10:59,320 --> 01:10:56,420 because what we're having in my view is 1708 01:11:01,990 --> 01:10:59,330 a good intellectual discussion about 1709 01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:02,000 various issues between two intelligent 1710 01:11:07,090 --> 01:11:04,010 people and you make some fantastic 1711 01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:07,100 points and that's what it's about so I 1712 01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:09,170 appreciate that I try to be an agreeable 1713 01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:12,050 guy so whatever I get you know a little 1714 01:11:14,830 --> 01:11:13,370 bit passionate I'm like am I being too 1715 01:11:16,690 --> 01:11:14,840 I'm not being too strong about something 1716 01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:16,700 cuz I I think that's the mark of a true 1717 01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:18,890 14 in a lot of ways it's just is to 1718 01:11:22,990 --> 01:11:21,650 propose stuff and say you know what is 1719 01:11:25,330 --> 01:11:23,000 this I don't know it could be any number 1720 01:11:27,100 --> 01:11:25,340 of things so it's right right oh well 1721 01:11:28,810 --> 01:11:27,110 then you know by all means let's dig 1722 01:11:29,100 --> 01:11:28,820 right into it because that's what this 1723 01:11:31,140 --> 01:11:29,110 show 1724 01:11:32,820 --> 01:11:31,150 about let's get down in there and see 1725 01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:32,830 okay well what could this be then you've 1726 01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:35,170 got an idea that that we've got some 1727 01:11:40,979 --> 01:11:37,650 something that's sort of beyond our 1728 01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:40,989 everyday explanations and and beyond the 1729 01:11:46,830 --> 01:11:43,330 explanation of the empirical sciences 1730 01:11:48,870 --> 01:11:46,840 for that matter and we both know that 1731 01:11:51,180 --> 01:11:48,880 this stuff goes on we're both just 1732 01:11:53,129 --> 01:11:51,190 looking at ways of well how might we 1733 01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:53,139 explain it or or are you even looking at 1734 01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:54,690 a way to explain it maybe you're just 1735 01:11:59,280 --> 01:11:57,250 describing it in your books and not 1736 01:12:01,350 --> 01:11:59,290 really trying to think well maybe this 1737 01:12:03,450 --> 01:12:01,360 is how it's possible what what's your 1738 01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:03,460 real aim in bringing this to our 1739 01:12:07,709 --> 01:12:05,440 attention for me I've always said 1740 01:12:09,689 --> 01:12:07,719 because I feel like the amount of cases 1741 01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:09,699 that I examine and that I try to bring 1742 01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:12,250 forth in my work are generally so 1743 01:12:17,550 --> 01:12:15,850 strongly weighted that even if a few 1744 01:12:20,189 --> 01:12:17,560 were proven to be complete fabrications 1745 01:12:22,410 --> 01:12:20,199 there's still this wealth of data that 1746 01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:22,420 suggests an overall trend so for me it's 1747 01:12:27,149 --> 01:12:24,489 never about whether you know this person 1748 01:12:30,810 --> 01:12:27,159 actually saw Bigfoot walk through the 1749 01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:30,820 forest in 1963 but even if that if 1750 01:12:35,609 --> 01:12:33,850 that's a falsified story there are 1020 1751 01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:35,619 other stories that I can point to that 1752 01:12:40,649 --> 01:12:38,170 that share that sort of smell that that 1753 01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:40,659 person noticed in that account so for me 1754 01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:43,090 it's about the it's about the I think 1755 01:12:48,899 --> 01:12:46,810 that to be a comparative astiz to really 1756 01:12:50,820 --> 01:12:48,909 point out the common thread and to say I 1757 01:12:53,550 --> 01:12:50,830 don't know if this is true I don't know 1758 01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:53,560 if that is true but at the end of the 1759 01:12:57,990 --> 01:12:55,690 day something there is a thread in here 1760 01:13:00,780 --> 01:12:58,000 that says you know in the weakest sense 1761 01:13:03,510 --> 01:13:00,790 it says something about you know humans 1762 01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:03,520 interpretation of the world or it says 1763 01:13:07,590 --> 01:13:05,170 you know that there's a reality - Union 1764 01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:07,600 archetypes but that's the lease of which 1765 01:13:11,669 --> 01:13:10,090 might be happening and even if that's 1766 01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:11,679 even if that's something that's true 1767 01:13:15,570 --> 01:13:13,090 that's still a huge thing that you know 1768 01:13:18,540 --> 01:13:15,580 across time across space people have a 1769 01:13:19,950 --> 01:13:18,550 food taboo to not take food from strange 1770 01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:19,960 entities what does that say about the 1771 01:13:24,209 --> 01:13:22,449 human condition so that's sort of where 1772 01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:24,219 I come to it I do get a little bit 1773 01:13:27,689 --> 01:13:25,690 worked up about the syphon Amin on 1774 01:13:30,419 --> 01:13:27,699 because I feel like there's been some 1775 01:13:32,580 --> 01:13:30,429 again some some good rigorous some 1776 01:13:34,229 --> 01:13:32,590 scientific rigor applied to that but at 1777 01:13:37,580 --> 01:13:34,239 the same time they don't get me going 1778 01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:37,590 like the anecdotes do so you know I 1779 01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:40,449 interest is the idea that a culture on 1780 01:13:45,250 --> 01:13:41,090 one side 1781 01:13:47,410 --> 01:13:45,260 I can say something and resonate with 1782 01:13:49,570 --> 01:13:47,420 what is per being presented as an 1783 01:13:52,899 --> 01:13:49,580 objective true account on the other side 1784 01:13:56,879 --> 01:13:52,909 of the globe from somebody who I can say 1785 01:13:59,109 --> 01:13:56,889 with 85 percent certainty did not pull a 1786 01:14:01,359 --> 01:13:59,119 dictionary of folklore off a shelf and 1787 01:14:03,310 --> 01:14:01,369 read this one obscure tradition of this 1788 01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:03,320 one obscure tribe about this similar 1789 01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:05,810 thing and that's what I find to be the 1790 01:14:09,060 --> 01:14:07,730 most the most compelling thing about 1791 01:14:12,339 --> 01:14:09,070 what I'm interested in 1792 01:14:15,100 --> 01:14:12,349 have you found specific things that you 1793 01:14:18,010 --> 01:14:15,110 thought were leading you to a solid 1794 01:14:18,910 --> 01:14:18,020 trail and then later on turn out to be 1795 01:14:26,530 --> 01:14:18,920 yeah 1796 01:14:29,020 --> 01:14:26,540 know I I think you have to do a sort of 1797 01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:29,030 gut check at some point I mean which is 1798 01:14:33,910 --> 01:14:32,000 more of a parsimonious explanation for 1799 01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:33,920 example with the food taboo you know 1800 01:14:41,830 --> 01:14:36,320 it's it's a it's a establishing at 1801 01:14:43,450 --> 01:14:41,840 urgent feasts that that this is a belief 1802 01:14:45,010 --> 01:14:43,460 shared across cultures from literally 1803 01:14:47,530 --> 01:14:45,020 every culture of the globe I mean you've 1804 01:14:49,300 --> 01:14:47,540 got you know simcha unbelief Cherokee 1805 01:14:53,649 --> 01:14:49,310 belief in the new work and the new world 1806 01:14:55,689 --> 01:14:53,659 North America you've got belief and some 1807 01:14:59,560 --> 01:14:55,699 uncertain tribes in the Amazon you've 1808 01:15:01,270 --> 01:14:59,570 got you've got beliefs you got this this 1809 01:15:02,979 --> 01:15:01,280 belief representative Scandinavian myth 1810 01:15:04,419 --> 01:15:02,989 you've got it represented in Jewish myth 1811 01:15:07,959 --> 01:15:04,429 you've got a represented in Teutonic 1812 01:15:10,959 --> 01:15:07,969 myth Asian Japanese New Caledonian New 1813 01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:10,969 Zealand that if you're ever encounter a 1814 01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:13,760 member of the other world you should not 1815 01:15:18,370 --> 01:15:15,770 eat their food or else you'll be trapped 1816 01:15:19,870 --> 01:15:18,380 with them forever which is more parse 1817 01:15:21,629 --> 01:15:19,880 which is not parchment needs to keep on 1818 01:15:24,070 --> 01:15:21,639 using that word too much which is more 1819 01:15:27,430 --> 01:15:24,080 realistic in an Occam's razor sort of 1820 01:15:32,260 --> 01:15:27,440 way that there is an objective reality 1821 01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:32,270 to this other world and somehow every 1822 01:15:36,070 --> 01:15:34,489 culture has decided that this is through 1823 01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:36,080 trial and error has decided that this is 1824 01:15:40,270 --> 01:15:37,520 a way to avoid being pulled into that 1825 01:15:42,189 --> 01:15:40,280 other world or it says something about 1826 01:15:44,050 --> 01:15:42,199 human beings relationships with other 1827 01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:44,060 tribes with other peoples and the idea 1828 01:15:47,770 --> 01:15:45,650 that you if you break bread with them 1829 01:15:49,419 --> 01:15:47,780 you are you know associated with them 1830 01:15:50,290 --> 01:15:49,429 forever which which which you know makes 1831 01:15:52,419 --> 01:15:50,300 more sense from that's where a 1832 01:15:54,220 --> 01:15:52,429 standpoint you know I'd like to believe 1833 01:15:56,530 --> 01:15:54,230 the the former but the latter 1834 01:15:59,530 --> 01:15:56,540 honestly makes a little bit more sense 1835 01:16:02,800 --> 01:15:59,540 you know I've sort of cooled from the 1836 01:16:04,390 --> 01:16:02,810 idea that that implies you know an 1837 01:16:06,340 --> 01:16:04,400 objective reality to the other world in 1838 01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:06,350 that sense but you know for every one 1839 01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:07,970 experience like those if there these 1840 01:16:15,490 --> 01:16:09,970 there are other tiny experiences where 1841 01:16:17,770 --> 01:16:15,500 you know where there are again more 1842 01:16:19,510 --> 01:16:17,780 anecdotal experiences where you'll see 1843 01:16:21,100 --> 01:16:19,520 the this connective these connective 1844 01:16:22,930 --> 01:16:21,110 little little moments that really sort 1845 01:16:26,260 --> 01:16:22,940 of give you 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1957 01:21:08,279 --> 01:21:07,750 reference that you were invoking Joshua 1958 01:21:10,799 --> 01:21:08,289 Oh 1959 01:21:13,049 --> 01:21:10,809 happily um so yeah everyone's favorite 1960 01:21:15,959 --> 01:21:13,059 the poster child for my first book the 1961 01:21:18,270 --> 01:21:15,969 Jo Symington case chicken farmer from 1962 01:21:19,950 --> 01:21:18,280 Eagle River Wisconsin here's the sound 1963 01:21:22,350 --> 01:21:19,960 of what sounds like wet radials on 1964 01:21:25,169 --> 01:21:22,360 pavement looks outside sees a strange 1965 01:21:27,089 --> 01:21:25,179 shiny metallic craft and what he 1966 01:21:30,299 --> 01:21:27,099 described as basically a space Italian 1967 01:21:31,859 --> 01:21:30,309 with a black head cap waving a jug of 1968 01:21:33,660 --> 01:21:31,869 water in the air you know being a good 1969 01:21:35,729 --> 01:21:33,670 Wisconsin night he goes out there grabs 1970 01:21:37,020 --> 01:21:35,739 the jug of water grabs the jug rather 1971 01:21:39,450 --> 01:21:37,030 comes back in fills it up with water 1972 01:21:41,939 --> 01:21:39,460 takes it back out notices that some of 1973 01:21:45,450 --> 01:21:41,949 the space italians comrades are grilling 1974 01:21:48,390 --> 01:21:45,460 some sort of porous pancake or cookie on 1975 01:21:50,310 --> 01:21:48,400 this flameless griddle let me ask you a 1976 01:21:52,799 --> 01:21:50,320 question here him noticing have you 1977 01:21:56,399 --> 01:21:52,809 talked to any Italian cooks to see if 1978 01:21:58,169 --> 01:21:56,409 they have a recipe like that oh I can't 1979 01:21:59,819 --> 01:21:58,179 imagine an Italian being caught dead 1980 01:22:03,439 --> 01:21:59,829 making something with as little flavor 1981 01:22:06,419 --> 01:22:03,449 as Simonton said I was thinking maybe 1982 01:22:10,529 --> 01:22:06,429 extraterrestrial pasta or how about this 1983 01:22:14,129 --> 01:22:10,539 how about ET style pizza deep-dish style 1984 01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:14,139 or New York Sicilian style well you know 1985 01:22:18,270 --> 01:22:16,480 it the the pizza is shaped like a flying 1986 01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:18,280 saucer and shaped like a mandala how 1987 01:22:22,799 --> 01:22:21,130 about and they spin it you know you ever 1988 01:22:25,470 --> 01:22:22,809 see them spinning that pizza 1989 01:22:28,979 --> 01:22:25,480 yeah the pizza that's right it's part of 1990 01:22:31,470 --> 01:22:28,989 the you know really proper pizza this 1991 01:22:34,290 --> 01:22:31,480 isn't just you know spreading the dough 1992 01:22:36,750 --> 01:22:34,300 it's throwing it in the air and doing 1993 01:22:38,250 --> 01:22:36,760 all sorts of wacky stuff with it yeah I 1994 01:22:39,899 --> 01:22:38,260 don't see how they even do that I don't 1995 01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:39,909 think that could ever do that but you 1996 01:22:42,299 --> 01:22:41,050 know it's interesting because this 1997 01:22:45,270 --> 01:22:42,309 narrative of Simon getting these 1998 01:22:47,879 --> 01:22:45,280 pancakes in exchange for this water and 1999 01:22:50,609 --> 01:22:47,889 being and being a chicken farmer what 2000 01:22:52,620 --> 01:22:50,619 about some fried chicken and oh well 2001 01:22:53,970 --> 01:22:52,630 well I know sometimes sometimes when I 2002 01:22:55,740 --> 01:22:53,980 tell the story I say that he's an Eagle 2003 01:22:57,180 --> 01:22:55,750 farmer from chicken River Wisconsin I 2004 01:22:59,220 --> 01:22:57,190 always mess it up but you know it's 2005 01:23:00,899 --> 01:22:59,230 interesting to me that Simonson received 2006 01:23:02,879 --> 01:23:00,909 these pancakes and if you look at you 2007 01:23:05,279 --> 01:23:02,889 know there's a in front of a Friesland 2008 01:23:07,770 --> 01:23:05,289 islands off of Netherlands in Germany 2009 01:23:09,660 --> 01:23:07,780 there's a tradition of these dwarves 2010 01:23:12,830 --> 01:23:09,670 called the owner Bansky and what they do 2011 01:23:15,050 --> 01:23:12,840 is they are known to help farmers by 2012 01:23:17,900 --> 01:23:15,060 you know exchanging fresh water and 2013 01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:17,910 pancakes with them that's a case to me 2014 01:23:21,110 --> 01:23:19,530 that the l-word connection rather that 2015 01:23:23,270 --> 01:23:21,120 implies that there's some sort of again 2016 01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:23,280 at the very basic level maybe an 2017 01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:25,920 archetypal thing going on of Jungian 2018 01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:27,330 archetype where this is just you know if 2019 01:23:31,790 --> 01:23:29,730 he had a fugue state and he tapped into 2020 01:23:33,950 --> 01:23:31,800 something like that or that there is 2021 01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:33,960 some sort of weird other that sort of 2022 01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:37,530 uses this same same imagery in this case 2023 01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:39,330 the imagery of basically a communion a 2024 01:23:44,090 --> 01:23:42,090 breaking of bread across time to 2025 01:23:45,710 --> 01:23:44,100 interact with with with mankind 2026 01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:45,720 I don't think Simonson was reading about 2027 01:23:50,870 --> 01:23:48,930 you know Teutonic fairy lore like I 2028 01:23:53,780 --> 01:23:50,880 don't like antsy you know but the 2029 01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:53,790 chicken farmer from Eagle River in 1961 2030 01:23:58,280 --> 01:23:55,530 pulling that off the shelf as part of 2031 01:24:00,200 --> 01:23:58,290 his as part of his daily reading so 2032 01:24:01,490 --> 01:24:00,210 what's going on there I don't know but I 2033 01:24:03,290 --> 01:24:01,500 bet that's that's one of the more 2034 01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:03,300 compelling little data points that that 2035 01:24:06,860 --> 01:24:05,130 really keep me going in this field 2036 01:24:08,660 --> 01:24:06,870 that's really interesting I mean when 2037 01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:08,670 you think about the whole food thing and 2038 01:24:14,930 --> 01:24:11,250 you draw an analogy to say the way that 2039 01:24:19,010 --> 01:24:14,940 we do experiments with animals we use 2040 01:24:21,590 --> 01:24:19,020 food a lot in order to see how they will 2041 01:24:24,530 --> 01:24:21,600 behave and you know I wonder if the 2042 01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:24,540 pancakes were as tasteless as say some 2043 01:24:29,480 --> 01:24:26,370 of the pet food that we create for 2044 01:24:31,610 --> 01:24:29,490 certain animals you know it's it's 2045 01:24:33,770 --> 01:24:31,620 theatrics - in order to study our 2046 01:24:36,830 --> 01:24:33,780 behaviors what it all seems to add up - 2047 01:24:38,450 --> 01:24:36,840 yeah I know and you know these came back 2048 01:24:39,980 --> 01:24:38,460 to the theatrics bit I mean again in 2049 01:24:42,380 --> 01:24:39,990 every case I can find a couple data 2050 01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:42,390 points that make me really question the 2051 01:24:45,590 --> 01:24:44,400 the hell ETH thing because obviously 2052 01:24:48,500 --> 01:24:45,600 this has been cited as a UFO encounter 2053 01:24:50,090 --> 01:24:48,510 but the pancakes were analyzed they were 2054 01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:50,100 buckwheat everything about them was 2055 01:24:55,670 --> 01:24:52,530 conventional even the poor quality 2056 01:24:58,130 --> 01:24:55,680 cooking even the poor even poor quality 2057 01:24:59,540 --> 01:24:58,140 cooking yeah so like you're left with a 2058 01:25:00,860 --> 01:24:59,550 couple of different options here but 2059 01:25:02,450 --> 01:25:00,870 none of them I mean I think that the 2060 01:25:04,430 --> 01:25:02,460 least likely to me is that aliens are 2061 01:25:06,380 --> 01:25:04,440 gathering buckwheat and making pancakes 2062 01:25:08,660 --> 01:25:06,390 at the same time I don't think that 2063 01:25:11,660 --> 01:25:08,670 Simon's and made these things in like a 2064 01:25:13,190 --> 01:25:11,670 days or a trance or a fugue state so you 2065 01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:13,200 know it's it's it's just a little point 2066 01:25:18,170 --> 01:25:16,530 of interest that just leaves me 2067 01:25:21,380 --> 01:25:18,180 scratching my head and I don't know what 2068 01:25:23,390 --> 01:25:21,390 to do with it okay here's a question if 2069 01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:23,400 if you don't mind from one of our forum 2070 01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:26,250 posters your hand he asks how did 2071 01:25:29,900 --> 01:25:28,050 stories go does does someone do 2072 01:25:32,180 --> 01:25:29,910 something to annoy the fairies like 2073 01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:32,190 stealing from them or disrespecting them 2074 01:25:37,310 --> 01:25:34,050 in some way and then the fairy seek 2075 01:25:39,050 --> 01:25:37,320 revenge by taking something of theirs or 2076 01:25:42,710 --> 01:25:39,060 do they just choose sort of random 2077 01:25:44,780 --> 01:25:42,720 people it's a good question you know 2078 01:25:47,330 --> 01:25:44,790 obviously there there are there's no 2079 01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:47,340 shortage of stories in fairy lore where 2080 01:25:50,450 --> 01:25:49,170 people failed to leave out an offering 2081 01:25:52,820 --> 01:25:50,460 of food for the fairies and they 2082 01:25:56,030 --> 01:25:52,830 suffered some repercussions there's some 2083 01:25:58,280 --> 01:25:56,040 tales of Pixies who pricked toes or 2084 01:26:00,950 --> 01:25:58,290 drink blood or you know the idea of a 2085 01:26:03,230 --> 01:26:00,960 household spirit or a household fairy 2086 01:26:05,510 --> 01:26:03,240 who you know blights the crop because 2087 01:26:07,850 --> 01:26:05,520 they weren't recognized or you know they 2088 01:26:10,070 --> 01:26:07,860 they basically basically poltergeist 2089 01:26:11,860 --> 01:26:10,080 activity inside the home you know in the 2090 01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:11,870 case of a lot of these food and drink 2091 01:26:17,750 --> 01:26:16,050 offerings from fairies to humans it does 2092 01:26:19,190 --> 01:26:17,760 have much more of a randomized component 2093 01:26:20,630 --> 01:26:19,200 with one exception you know a lot of the 2094 01:26:23,060 --> 01:26:20,640 stories we'll find oh someone's walking 2095 01:26:26,420 --> 01:26:23,070 down a country lane and they encounter a 2096 01:26:28,010 --> 01:26:26,430 banshee who offers the milk and you know 2097 01:26:29,660 --> 01:26:28,020 and one of those damned if you do damned 2098 01:26:31,430 --> 01:26:29,670 if you don't situation they refused it 2099 01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:31,440 knowing the food taboo and they actually 2100 01:26:34,940 --> 01:26:33,090 were blinded because they offended the 2101 01:26:36,740 --> 01:26:34,950 Banshees so it's situational you don't 2102 01:26:38,180 --> 01:26:36,750 wanna get involved in but you know a lot 2103 01:26:40,610 --> 01:26:38,190 of times it's somebody who's out roving 2104 01:26:42,350 --> 01:26:40,620 a lot of the Irish stories involve 2105 01:26:44,990 --> 01:26:42,360 someone coming home from a party who's a 2106 01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:45,000 little bit too tipsy but you know I find 2107 01:26:48,230 --> 01:26:46,290 an interesting correlation between that 2108 01:26:50,690 --> 01:26:48,240 and the way that alcohol is so often 2109 01:26:52,750 --> 01:26:50,700 blamed for UFO sightings it's almost 2110 01:26:55,220 --> 01:26:52,760 like the phenomena seeks out people who 2111 01:26:58,310 --> 01:26:55,230 might be marginalized and might not be 2112 01:26:59,750 --> 01:26:58,320 believed but you know there's one famous 2113 01:27:02,210 --> 01:26:59,760 story of Jimmy Doyle and the fairy 2114 01:27:04,190 --> 01:27:02,220 Palace and he's coming home he's coming 2115 01:27:05,930 --> 01:27:04,200 home tipsy and he sees a light coming 2116 01:27:07,670 --> 01:27:05,940 from the ferry from the fairy fort he 2117 01:27:10,190 --> 01:27:07,680 goes there and he sees this door inside 2118 01:27:12,590 --> 01:27:10,200 the ground and he goes inside and while 2119 01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:12,600 he's there he sees all the little all 2120 01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:14,250 the wee folk but invariably on these 2121 01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:16,250 stories these people will encounter 2122 01:27:22,100 --> 01:27:18,930 someone who they recognize who is 2123 01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:22,110 formerly alive which there's a lot of 2124 01:27:26,270 --> 01:27:23,730 confusion a lot of conflation a lot of 2125 01:27:29,420 --> 01:27:26,280 it's it's impossible to separate the 2126 01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:29,430 faithful from the deceased and a lot of 2127 01:27:33,110 --> 01:27:31,410 these stories there's one story that 2128 01:27:34,940 --> 01:27:33,120 says that when you die there are three 2129 01:27:36,140 --> 01:27:34,950 roads one leading to heaven one we need 2130 01:27:38,420 --> 01:27:36,150 to hell and one leading to fairyland 2131 01:27:39,930 --> 01:27:38,430 which I find is really eloquent in the 2132 01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:39,940 case of Jimmy Doyle he recognized 2133 01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:42,250 woman from the community that had passed 2134 01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:44,890 on and she stopped him from taking a 2135 01:27:47,790 --> 01:27:46,570 drink and said do not you know drink or 2136 01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:47,800 eat anything from them or you'll be 2137 01:27:50,390 --> 01:27:48,730 trapped with them forever 2138 01:27:53,220 --> 01:27:50,400 and he actually ended up pouring the 2139 01:27:55,530 --> 01:27:53,230 flagon of ale or wine between his 2140 01:27:57,390 --> 01:27:55,540 gherkin and his chest and he woke up the 2141 01:27:58,770 --> 01:27:57,400 next morning in a field and his family 2142 01:28:01,439 --> 01:27:58,780 said that he smelled like punch so you 2143 01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:01,449 know was he was he drunk was he in some 2144 01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:03,010 sort of altered state that allowed him 2145 01:28:07,740 --> 01:28:06,130 to interact with these things was he you 2146 01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:07,750 know in an altered state where he loosen 2147 01:28:11,820 --> 01:28:09,610 a to these things it's not very clear to 2148 01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:11,830 me you know where I'm coming from where 2149 01:28:16,860 --> 01:28:14,250 I've been sort of pushed by this very 2150 01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:16,870 deceased dead you know 2151 01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:20,410 the Restless dead sort of constellation 2152 01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:24,610 is the idea that maybe everything maybe 2153 01:28:29,700 --> 01:28:26,800 everything is just a ghost story you 2154 01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:29,710 know if you look at sort of the the 2155 01:28:35,580 --> 01:28:32,650 where the fairy folk live in the British 2156 01:28:38,370 --> 01:28:35,590 Isles a lot of them are unambiguously 2157 01:28:41,370 --> 01:28:38,380 human constructed iron-age or early 2158 01:28:43,890 --> 01:28:41,380 Christian settlements the housing 2159 01:28:46,290 --> 01:28:43,900 housing settlements Corral's paddocks 2160 01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:46,300 etc that's that's out of the question no 2161 01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:47,770 that's not up for debate 2162 01:28:54,060 --> 01:28:50,770 these are human settlements but yet you 2163 01:28:57,300 --> 01:28:54,070 know several hundred you know years 2164 01:29:00,240 --> 01:28:57,310 later they begin being associated with 2165 01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:00,250 this race of small people who are often 2166 01:29:04,830 --> 01:29:01,810 seen in conjunction with the dead 2167 01:29:06,750 --> 01:29:04,840 so again assuming an objectivity to some 2168 01:29:08,130 --> 01:29:06,760 of these stories which you know the 2169 01:29:10,470 --> 01:29:08,140 tradition is rich and has so many 2170 01:29:11,340 --> 01:29:10,480 parallels with ufology if I think that 2171 01:29:12,810 --> 01:29:11,350 if you think that there's something to 2172 01:29:13,890 --> 01:29:12,820 the UFO phenomena you kind of have to 2173 01:29:15,330 --> 01:29:13,900 think there's something to the fairy 2174 01:29:18,570 --> 01:29:15,340 phenomena because the parallels are so 2175 01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:18,580 close what does that mean does that mean 2176 01:29:24,090 --> 01:29:20,650 that the fairies are the dead does that 2177 01:29:26,250 --> 01:29:24,100 mean that the fairies came to inhabit 2178 01:29:27,900 --> 01:29:26,260 certain spaces where human beings live 2179 01:29:30,270 --> 01:29:27,910 does that mean that human beings built 2180 01:29:32,100 --> 01:29:30,280 their buildings and the ages passed on 2181 01:29:34,590 --> 01:29:32,110 places of power that happened to tap 2182 01:29:37,530 --> 01:29:34,600 into theirs from sort of telluric ley 2183 01:29:38,970 --> 01:29:37,540 lines sort of sort of area where the 2184 01:29:42,900 --> 01:29:38,980 paranormal is more likely to manifest 2185 01:29:44,430 --> 01:29:42,910 I'm not really sure if you had to hold 2186 01:29:46,050 --> 01:29:44,440 my feet to the fire and make me commit 2187 01:29:49,050 --> 01:29:46,060 to something right now I suspect that 2188 01:29:52,100 --> 01:29:49,060 the fairy folk represents something of a 2189 01:29:54,260 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deaths of something rather now when you 2315 01:35:21,300 --> 01:35:19,690 start thinking about something like Joe 2316 01:35:24,350 --> 01:35:21,310 Symington I wanted to go back to that 2317 01:35:26,370 --> 01:35:24,360 because I remember when that case 2318 01:35:29,220 --> 01:35:26,380 occurred that's how old I am 2319 01:35:31,140 --> 01:35:29,230 oh wow why I mean I'm sorry I mean oh 2320 01:35:33,270 --> 01:35:31,150 wow like that I mean it's interesting to 2321 01:35:35,490 --> 01:35:33,280 sort of remember that happening you know 2322 01:35:38,480 --> 01:35:35,500 yeah I remember him being interviewed by 2323 01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:38,490 Long John Neville on his famous 2324 01:35:43,020 --> 01:35:40,330 paranormal talk show 2325 01:35:45,990 --> 01:35:43,030 I remember where he seemed like a pretty 2326 01:35:48,150 --> 01:35:46,000 simple straightforward guy and I don't 2327 01:35:50,820 --> 01:35:48,160 recall John being anything more than 2328 01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:50,830 mildly cynical oh this wacky farmer 2329 01:35:57,510 --> 01:35:53,970 chicken farmer who sees an Italian 2330 01:36:00,600 --> 01:35:57,520 spaceman and he gets his pancakes and 2331 01:36:04,140 --> 01:36:00,610 you think somebody and a test aircraft 2332 01:36:08,250 --> 01:36:04,150 was possibly playing a joke on Simonton 2333 01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:08,260 I mean it's possible I suspect that a 2334 01:36:13,230 --> 01:36:11,530 lot of more of what we a lot more of 2335 01:36:14,670 --> 01:36:13,240 what we see in the UFO phenomena 2336 01:36:16,860 --> 01:36:14,680 especially with in terms of anomalous 2337 01:36:19,470 --> 01:36:16,870 crafts and lights in the sky a lot more 2338 01:36:20,790 --> 01:36:19,480 of that is unorthodox aircraft and we 2339 01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:20,800 would any of us would like to admit 2340 01:36:27,390 --> 01:36:23,730 myself included that might be the case 2341 01:36:29,250 --> 01:36:27,400 the problem is you know if there 2342 01:36:31,620 --> 01:36:29,260 literally was a plan to visit an 2343 01:36:33,510 --> 01:36:31,630 unassuming chicken farmer and give him 2344 01:36:36,900 --> 01:36:33,520 pancakes like if that was a plan from 2345 01:36:38,700 --> 01:36:36,910 the start that's that's interesting you 2346 01:36:40,230 --> 01:36:38,710 know psychological experiment I don't 2347 01:36:41,910 --> 01:36:40,240 think you know that there was an 2348 01:36:43,530 --> 01:36:41,920 aircraft where they just so happened to 2349 01:36:45,150 --> 01:36:43,540 be you know if there if this if these 2350 01:36:46,740 --> 01:36:45,160 were people in an unorthodox aircraft 2351 01:36:49,260 --> 01:36:46,750 they were so happen to install a 2352 01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:49,270 flameless stove right here like hey Bob 2353 01:36:52,830 --> 01:36:50,650 you know what while he's getting us some 2354 01:36:54,870 --> 01:36:52,840 water how about you make how about you 2355 01:36:58,410 --> 01:36:54,880 make some some pancakes you know I think 2356 01:37:00,000 --> 01:36:58,420 that if you wanted to see something that 2357 01:37:01,110 --> 01:37:00,010 or if you wanted to draw some sort of 2358 01:37:02,970 --> 01:37:01,120 parallel I think there's probably more 2359 01:37:05,190 --> 01:37:02,980 of a parallel to the airship waves oh 2360 01:37:06,780 --> 01:37:05,200 the turn-of-the-century where so many of 2361 01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:06,790 those cases involve the fetching of 2362 01:37:11,460 --> 01:37:10,210 water by witnesses and oftentimes there 2363 01:37:14,190 --> 01:37:11,470 you know sometimes there was a food 2364 01:37:17,010 --> 01:37:14,200 exchange in those in those encounters as 2365 01:37:19,129 --> 01:37:17,020 well so I would be more akin to you know 2366 01:37:22,429 --> 01:37:19,139 not necessarily government 2367 01:37:24,229 --> 01:37:22,439 a government aircraft in that case but 2368 01:37:27,529 --> 01:37:24,239 probably more of a Walter Bosley asked 2369 01:37:30,229 --> 01:37:27,539 you know secret space program breakaway 2370 01:37:31,729 --> 01:37:30,239 civilization rather in that sort of in 2371 01:37:34,399 --> 01:37:31,739 the Simonton case that just seems a 2372 01:37:36,439 --> 01:37:34,409 little bit more realistic to me than the 2373 01:37:39,529 --> 01:37:36,449 idea that it's the government doing some 2374 01:37:40,909 --> 01:37:39,539 sort of psychological pancake experiment 2375 01:37:43,810 --> 01:37:40,919 oh the psychological pain tape 2376 01:37:47,179 --> 01:37:43,820 experiment is a great name for a band so 2377 01:37:50,659 --> 01:37:47,189 they'll have a tube that we all have a 2378 01:37:54,189 --> 01:37:50,669 tuba a sitar I'm thinking of the 2379 01:37:59,239 --> 01:37:54,199 complement of the band to Behcet's our 2380 01:38:01,009 --> 01:37:59,249 theremin accordion and a better prefer a 2381 01:38:04,459 --> 01:38:01,019 trombone in there that's just Trumpy 2382 01:38:06,770 --> 01:38:04,469 company exactly just a little bit more 2383 01:38:07,909 --> 01:38:06,780 mundane just just sort of for what 2384 01:38:10,580 --> 01:38:07,919 people are kind of used to and they 2385 01:38:13,909 --> 01:38:10,590 think about fairy lore and stuff like 2386 01:38:15,859 --> 01:38:13,919 why do we have graphical representations 2387 01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:15,869 that depict the male characters is these 2388 01:38:20,839 --> 01:38:18,570 little troll like characters but the 2389 01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:20,849 females tend to be these idealized 2390 01:38:26,209 --> 01:38:24,090 versions of the female form well you 2391 01:38:27,889 --> 01:38:26,219 know I think that part of that is who's 2392 01:38:30,350 --> 01:38:27,899 making that who's making the drawing you 2393 01:38:33,529 --> 01:38:30,360 know if you want to be really pragmatic 2394 01:38:35,739 --> 01:38:33,539 about it you know some old medieval 2395 01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:35,749 perverts were probably drawing those but 2396 01:38:45,679 --> 01:38:41,760 you will find it the the the the the 2397 01:38:47,209 --> 01:38:45,689 umbrella term fairy varies from culture 2398 01:38:48,889 --> 01:38:47,219 to culture to continent to continent 2399 01:38:51,949 --> 01:38:48,899 because it really is a worldwide concept 2400 01:38:54,379 --> 01:38:51,959 this idea of a a shorter race or a you 2401 01:38:57,770 --> 01:38:54,389 know spiritual peoples living alongside 2402 01:38:59,929 --> 01:38:57,780 us you know most often these were 2403 01:39:02,290 --> 01:38:59,939 depicted as small and shriveled and 2404 01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:02,300 wizened you know the males at least were 2405 01:39:08,810 --> 01:39:05,489 but at the same time you would find 2406 01:39:10,729 --> 01:39:08,820 depictions of taller more live male 2407 01:39:12,409 --> 01:39:10,739 fairies as well I mean you like 2408 01:39:14,029 --> 01:39:12,419 sometimes in some cases they would be 2409 01:39:16,669 --> 01:39:14,039 distinguishable from a very attractive 2410 01:39:18,799 --> 01:39:16,679 man some stories that I found for the 2411 01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:18,809 new book reads like straight up men in 2412 01:39:23,419 --> 01:39:21,360 black encounters a gentleman a 2413 01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:23,429 mysterious gentleman in black who pulled 2414 01:39:27,379 --> 01:39:25,050 up in a black with on a black horse 2415 01:39:28,969 --> 01:39:27,389 looking for a woman to come take care of 2416 01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:28,979 his kids and of course this is where it 2417 01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:30,570 differs from that whisks them away to 2418 01:39:34,310 --> 01:39:31,650 his 2419 01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:34,320 fairy cave and has her sort of become a 2420 01:39:40,970 --> 01:39:38,730 wet nurse for his fairy children but if 2421 01:39:43,310 --> 01:39:40,980 you look at the lore many times what 2422 01:39:46,189 --> 01:39:43,320 you'll find is that you know sort of the 2423 01:39:49,820 --> 01:39:46,199 working-class fairy has it were are the 2424 01:39:51,020 --> 01:39:49,830 short squat hideous kind and you know a 2425 01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:51,030 lot of these encounters you'll find them 2426 01:39:55,340 --> 01:39:52,290 you know doing their own thing but 2427 01:39:59,620 --> 01:39:55,350 they're almost always supervised by a 2428 01:40:02,240 --> 01:39:59,630 taller often female often attractive 2429 01:40:03,500 --> 01:40:02,250 fairy queen of the fairies which you can 2430 01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:03,510 see you know clear parallels between 2431 01:40:08,419 --> 01:40:05,730 that idea these shorter grotesque 2432 01:40:09,979 --> 01:40:08,429 entities being supervised by this taller 2433 01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:09,989 more life entity you can see that in the 2434 01:40:13,459 --> 01:40:11,250 abduction experience where you know 2435 01:40:15,020 --> 01:40:13,469 people talk about taller more 2436 01:40:17,660 --> 01:40:15,030 supervising gray looking at these 2437 01:40:20,270 --> 01:40:17,670 shorter drones well we have this sort of 2438 01:40:22,040 --> 01:40:20,280 hold Disneyfication of it as well I mean 2439 01:40:24,500 --> 01:40:22,050 when we we look at something like 2440 01:40:27,110 --> 01:40:24,510 Sleeping Beauty there we have almost 2441 01:40:30,890 --> 01:40:27,120 kind of the same thing going on in a way 2442 01:40:32,990 --> 01:40:30,900 yeah no exactly and it's I mean that's 2443 01:40:35,959 --> 01:40:33,000 part of a bigger problem that really 2444 01:40:38,090 --> 01:40:35,969 started you know in the in the Victorian 2445 01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:38,100 era of really trying to sort of take the 2446 01:40:41,540 --> 01:40:39,570 teeth out of these things you know which 2447 01:40:44,570 --> 01:40:41,550 really which rarely were depicted with 2448 01:40:47,060 --> 01:40:44,580 wings rarely were depicted with you know 2449 01:40:48,830 --> 01:40:47,070 cute little skirts popping in and out of 2450 01:40:50,270 --> 01:40:48,840 flowers but that's you know it's sort of 2451 01:40:50,780 --> 01:40:50,280 that's where that that's where the whole 2452 01:40:53,300 --> 01:40:50,790 business 2453 01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:53,310 ethos has drawn upon strong upon that 2454 01:40:57,320 --> 01:40:55,290 tradition but you know I think the other 2455 01:41:00,169 --> 01:40:57,330 reason for the the attractive female 2456 01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:00,179 fairies is that you know in fairy lore 2457 01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:04,010 it was young boys like infant boys and 2458 01:41:07,220 --> 01:41:06,090 women who would be abducted by the 2459 01:41:09,470 --> 01:41:07,230 fairies and they would be affected by 2460 01:41:12,200 --> 01:41:09,480 the male fairies but in a lot of the 2461 01:41:13,850 --> 01:41:12,210 narratives with men's interactions with 2462 01:41:15,169 --> 01:41:13,860 fairies they would find a fairy woman 2463 01:41:16,910 --> 01:41:15,179 and they would mate with her and it's a 2464 01:41:19,220 --> 01:41:16,920 lot easier to buy that narrative if 2465 01:41:21,050 --> 01:41:19,230 there is a taller more attractive 2466 01:41:22,970 --> 01:41:21,060 beautiful woman than if you know you've 2467 01:41:27,140 --> 01:41:22,980 got some guy with this little you know 2468 01:41:28,939 --> 01:41:27,150 two and a half foot old woman fairy you 2469 01:41:35,180 --> 01:41:28,949 know getting on that's a little it's a 2470 01:41:38,060 --> 01:41:35,190 little bit I can suspend my disbelief I 2471 01:41:39,470 --> 01:41:38,070 suspect that's part of it too but again 2472 01:41:41,540 --> 01:41:39,480 you know thinking thinking back to 2473 01:41:44,300 --> 01:41:41,550 something like like Greg bishops 2474 01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:44,310 co-creation idea I think the fact that 2475 01:41:47,359 --> 01:41:45,570 you have so many different 2476 01:41:49,850 --> 01:41:47,369 versions of these of the fairies which 2477 01:41:51,709 --> 01:41:49,860 honestly are like a Pokemon catalog or 2478 01:41:52,850 --> 01:41:51,719 you know or the Japanese yokai there are 2479 01:41:55,250 --> 01:41:52,860 so many different descriptions these 2480 01:41:57,830 --> 01:41:55,260 things that might account for why there 2481 01:42:00,229 --> 01:41:57,840 are so many disparate accounts of what 2482 01:42:02,510 --> 01:42:00,239 these entities look like if again if 2483 01:42:04,399 --> 01:42:02,520 there is an objective reality to it well 2484 01:42:06,490 --> 01:42:04,409 that we've got and even in modern 2485 01:42:10,069 --> 01:42:06,500 culture this sort of a tradition of 2486 01:42:11,780 --> 01:42:10,079 leading something for them that this so 2487 01:42:15,890 --> 01:42:11,790 that there can be some sort of an 2488 01:42:17,899 --> 01:42:15,900 exchange that takes place and so I mean 2489 01:42:20,260 --> 01:42:17,909 look at the tooth fairy we get into here 2490 01:42:22,370 --> 01:42:20,270 we have them collecting human teeth and 2491 01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:22,380 you know that's got to be one of the 2492 01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:24,090 weirdest you got little kids and human 2493 01:42:28,490 --> 01:42:25,770 teats like what are these how did that 2494 01:42:29,899 --> 01:42:28,500 get into our culture it's it's all a bit 2495 01:42:31,939 --> 01:42:29,909 in the cob I mean you know the idea that 2496 01:42:34,930 --> 01:42:31,949 I mean I think and even um I mean not 2497 01:42:39,020 --> 01:42:34,940 not as as grotesque but the idea that 2498 01:42:42,109 --> 01:42:39,030 the idea that you know Santa Claus is is 2499 01:42:43,459 --> 01:42:42,119 it I mean you can unpack the pagan 2500 01:42:45,800 --> 01:42:43,469 imagery of Santa Claus all you want to 2501 01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:45,810 but you know red and white the color of 2502 01:42:49,310 --> 01:42:47,250 the Amanita muscaria which is the 2503 01:42:53,530 --> 01:42:49,320 hallucinogenic mushroom underneath that 2504 01:42:56,479 --> 01:42:53,540 grows underneath um you know furs in 2505 01:42:57,740 --> 01:42:56,489 Siberia which is where we place our you 2506 01:42:59,870 --> 01:42:57,750 know which is where we place our toys 2507 01:43:01,760 --> 01:42:59,880 they were dried out by studies me2 2508 01:43:04,790 --> 01:43:01,770 muscaria were dried out by shamans in 2509 01:43:06,379 --> 01:43:04,800 stockings by the fire if you you know if 2510 01:43:08,149 --> 01:43:06,389 you take certain hallucinogenic says 2511 01:43:10,189 --> 01:43:08,159 Terence Mckenna said sometimes you see 2512 01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:10,199 self-transforming machine ELLs who want 2513 01:43:13,939 --> 01:43:13,050 to give you a gift and Santa Claus where 2514 01:43:16,580 --> 01:43:13,949 does he come through he comes through 2515 01:43:18,649 --> 01:43:16,590 the chimney which was a common point of 2516 01:43:19,839 --> 01:43:18,659 you know of entities from the Otherworld 2517 01:43:21,649 --> 01:43:19,849 coming into your house especially 2518 01:43:24,439 --> 01:43:21,659 fairies 2519 01:43:26,089 --> 01:43:24,449 the Tooth Fairy herself draws out of a 2520 01:43:28,490 --> 01:43:26,099 northern European tradition which was 2521 01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:28,500 that the time Fey or the tooth fairy 2522 01:43:35,720 --> 01:43:31,010 who was you know had this exchange of 2523 01:43:37,580 --> 01:43:35,730 teeth for money you'll also find it in 2524 01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:37,590 some of some early Norse and northern 2525 01:43:42,649 --> 01:43:39,690 European writings but in terms of 2526 01:43:45,770 --> 01:43:42,659 exactly why you know it was a fairy 2527 01:43:48,470 --> 01:43:45,780 wanting teeth as opposed to you know a 2528 01:43:50,450 --> 01:43:48,480 fairy wanting children's hair you know 2529 01:43:53,149 --> 01:43:50,460 there's been some discrepancy with with 2530 01:43:55,189 --> 01:43:53,159 that some people say that if you know 2531 01:43:57,379 --> 01:43:55,199 since certain traditions if you didn't 2532 01:43:58,520 --> 01:43:57,389 you know burn your baby teeth you would 2533 01:43:59,600 --> 01:43:58,530 actually have true 2534 01:44:01,940 --> 01:43:59,610 you'd spend your eternity in the 2535 01:44:04,010 --> 01:44:01,950 afterlife looking for them you know 2536 01:44:06,530 --> 01:44:04,020 in insulin North's culture some Norse 2537 01:44:08,740 --> 01:44:06,540 cultures you know as children's teeth 2538 01:44:11,420 --> 01:44:08,750 would actually bring good luck in battle 2539 01:44:13,070 --> 01:44:11,430 but it is it is it is it is a very 2540 01:44:16,250 --> 01:44:13,080 creepy exchange when you actually take a 2541 01:44:18,140 --> 01:44:16,260 look at it you know I think it's also 2542 01:44:20,750 --> 01:44:18,150 tied partially to the idea I mean if you 2543 01:44:22,240 --> 01:44:20,760 look at so and there was a Scot there 2544 01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:22,250 was a academic who said to me one time 2545 01:44:26,900 --> 01:44:25,530 what is blamed upon fairies will 2546 01:44:28,220 --> 01:44:26,910 eventually be blamed upon witches and 2547 01:44:29,720 --> 01:44:28,230 vice-versa and if you look at the lore 2548 01:44:33,020 --> 01:44:29,730 like that definitely bears itself out 2549 01:44:34,640 --> 01:44:33,030 and you know the I had this idea this 2550 01:44:36,590 --> 01:44:34,650 again start using the M where this 2551 01:44:38,690 --> 01:44:36,600 magical idea that if you have a 2552 01:44:41,150 --> 01:44:38,700 something a an object that belongs to 2553 01:44:44,300 --> 01:44:41,160 someone or an object of someone's you 2554 01:44:45,950 --> 01:44:44,310 know someone's fingernail clippings or 2555 01:44:47,750 --> 01:44:45,960 hair or something that you have power 2556 01:44:50,480 --> 01:44:47,760 over them I think it's probably tied 2557 01:44:52,130 --> 01:44:50,490 with that idea to the idea that that you 2558 01:44:54,140 --> 01:44:52,140 know if you want to get rid of these 2559 01:44:57,620 --> 01:44:54,150 baby teeth out of your house to 2560 01:44:58,790 --> 01:44:57,630 someplace completely different so as 2561 01:45:00,410 --> 01:44:58,800 opposed to letting them fall into the 2562 01:45:02,690 --> 01:45:00,420 hands of some sort of other you know 2563 01:45:04,820 --> 01:45:02,700 Nair do well who can actually have power 2564 01:45:06,170 --> 01:45:04,830 over your children if you don't if they 2565 01:45:07,190 --> 01:45:06,180 get ahold of your teeth so I think that 2566 01:45:09,080 --> 01:45:07,200 might have something to do with it as 2567 01:45:11,570 --> 01:45:09,090 well we'll have more comments with the 2568 01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:11,580 toothy grin in our next segment I'm 2569 01:45:17,380 --> 01:45:12,690 sorry I did that 2570 01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:17,390 Randall gene Joshua you're in 2571 01:45:37,719 --> 01:45:33,189 thank you for listening to GCN 2572 01:45:39,939 --> 01:45:37,729 be sure to visit GCN live.com today we 2573 01:45:43,239 --> 01:45:39,949 also have swag you know we have all 2574 01:45:44,049 --> 01:45:43,249 these exclusive para cast things that 2575 01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:44,059 you can buy 2576 01:45:48,819 --> 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watching TV even when you're miles away 2618 01:47:34,770 --> 01:47:32,440 security is a mindset and fake TV should 2619 01:47:40,610 --> 01:47:34,780 be part of your security solution be 2620 01:47:40,620 --> 01:47:45,990 [Music] 2621 01:47:54,030 --> 01:47:49,690 welcome back to the para cast the gold 2622 01:48:02,860 --> 01:47:54,040 standard of paranormal radio and now 2623 01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:02,870 here's Jane Steinberg I listen to their 2624 01:48:09,220 --> 01:48:06,170 singing I say please don't quit your day 2625 01:48:12,010 --> 01:48:09,230 job but then Joshua is a musician do you 2626 01:48:14,140 --> 01:48:12,020 sing also not in public I think in the 2627 01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:14,150 shower that's about it well I'll do that 2628 01:48:17,590 --> 01:48:15,770 sort of like if the whole if the whole 2629 01:48:18,790 --> 01:48:17,600 band is shouting a chorus or something 2630 01:48:20,410 --> 01:48:18,800 or saying I'll do that sort of thing but 2631 01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:20,420 as far as me and the mic nope 2632 01:48:27,670 --> 01:48:23,650 not mine not my scene I could see why 2633 01:48:29,290 --> 01:48:27,680 nothing personal well thanks Jean I mean 2634 01:48:42,250 --> 01:48:29,300 next time you could join in too we could 2635 01:48:46,360 --> 01:48:44,560 alright it's enough of this fun and 2636 01:48:48,370 --> 01:48:46,370 frolic this is not a show for fun and 2637 01:48:52,060 --> 01:48:48,380 frolic there will be no fun on this show 2638 01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:52,070 GT no fun no fun no laughter no silly 2639 01:48:56,440 --> 01:48:54,010 jokes from the 1950s 2640 01:48:58,630 --> 01:48:56,450 nothing about sci-fi and comic book 2641 01:49:00,370 --> 01:48:58,640 movies we're talking about fairies 2642 01:49:01,990 --> 01:49:00,380 nothing fun and frivolous about fairies 2643 01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:02,000 my folks that's right if it's serious 2644 01:49:08,980 --> 01:49:04,970 here we're talking about space people 2645 01:49:11,110 --> 01:49:08,990 who look Italian who hand pancakes to 2646 01:49:13,810 --> 01:49:11,120 chicken farmers because they don't like 2647 01:49:15,310 --> 01:49:13,820 chicken you know actually it's that 2648 01:49:16,480 --> 01:49:15,320 Italian detail is something else that I 2649 01:49:20,410 --> 01:49:16,490 probably should have mentioned too is 2650 01:49:23,320 --> 01:49:20,420 that you know most cultures most you 2651 01:49:25,480 --> 01:49:23,330 know anglo-saxon cultures most Western 2652 01:49:27,550 --> 01:49:25,490 European cultures will describe the 2653 01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:27,560 faithful as having a swarthy complexion 2654 01:49:32,830 --> 01:49:30,890 that's one of the reasons that something 2655 01:49:34,990 --> 01:49:32,840 I talk about in the next book that the 2656 01:49:38,440 --> 01:49:35,000 children who were primarily taken by the 2657 01:49:39,910 --> 01:49:38,450 faithful were fair skinned and had fair 2658 01:49:41,680 --> 01:49:39,920 hair because the fairy is one of this 2659 01:49:44,290 --> 01:49:41,690 you know sort of new injection of life 2660 01:49:47,110 --> 01:49:44,300 blood into their dying race of these you 2661 01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:47,120 know these attractive children who had 2662 01:49:50,260 --> 01:49:48,530 who had a complexion completely 2663 01:49:51,280 --> 01:49:50,270 different there so that space Italian 2664 01:49:53,110 --> 01:49:51,290 thing there might be a little connection 2665 01:49:55,960 --> 01:49:53,120 there with the swarthy Nastasia Naboth 2666 01:49:57,790 --> 01:49:55,970 fairies well except the course forth on 2667 01:50:01,629 --> 01:49:57,800 the blonde haired avenues 2668 01:50:03,280 --> 01:50:01,639 and met by George Adamski well right I 2669 01:50:05,649 --> 01:50:03,290 mean you can you know it's interesting I 2670 01:50:07,390 --> 01:50:05,659 would something that might be a future 2671 01:50:10,270 --> 01:50:07,400 project is I would love to see someone 2672 01:50:13,740 --> 01:50:10,280 go through contact eel or abduction lore 2673 01:50:16,060 --> 01:50:13,750 and you know the go attic tradition of 2674 01:50:19,240 --> 01:50:16,070 entities conjured up through you know 2675 01:50:21,160 --> 01:50:19,250 ritualistic magic and fairy lore and to 2676 01:50:22,750 --> 01:50:21,170 see which seem to all correspond to the 2677 01:50:24,910 --> 01:50:22,760 same thing I mean you know it's sort of 2678 01:50:27,370 --> 01:50:24,920 to what randall was talking about this 2679 01:50:30,310 --> 01:50:27,380 idea of the taller more beautiful 2680 01:50:32,109 --> 01:50:30,320 fairies absolutely corresponds with with 2681 01:50:34,750 --> 01:50:32,119 you know a lot of these contactee beings 2682 01:50:37,330 --> 01:50:34,760 and the shorter you know the short 2683 01:50:39,540 --> 01:50:37,340 hideous greys I mean you look at a 2684 01:50:41,560 --> 01:50:39,550 tradition like the Scottish Trowell 2685 01:50:43,839 --> 01:50:41,570 Scottish it's got to be the Scottish 2686 01:50:46,750 --> 01:50:43,849 Trail so it was a race of faith folks 2687 01:50:48,640 --> 01:50:46,760 say folks was a race of faith folk who 2688 01:50:50,379 --> 01:50:48,650 maybe they're a camera with scotch or 2689 01:50:51,939 --> 01:50:50,389 Irish I should know this anyway but 2690 01:50:53,049 --> 01:50:51,949 there were goblins who were really fond 2691 01:50:54,760 --> 01:50:53,059 of kidnapping people and they were 2692 01:50:56,620 --> 01:50:54,770 called the night stealers or the gray 2693 01:50:58,450 --> 01:50:56,630 neighbors because they always wore grey 2694 01:51:00,490 --> 01:50:58,460 clothing and they were short and hideous 2695 01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:00,500 and short shriveled so you see really 2696 01:51:04,330 --> 01:51:03,170 really strong parallels between all 2697 01:51:06,339 --> 01:51:04,340 these and I think there'll be a really 2698 01:51:07,930 --> 01:51:06,349 worthwhile project is to go through 2699 01:51:09,310 --> 01:51:07,940 these three traditions that seemingly 2700 01:51:10,780 --> 01:51:09,320 don't have a lot in common and saying 2701 01:51:13,359 --> 01:51:10,790 look this looks like that this looks 2702 01:51:16,120 --> 01:51:13,369 like that this looks like that I don't 2703 01:51:17,410 --> 01:51:16,130 know if I'm the guy you know I'm the guy 2704 01:51:19,330 --> 01:51:17,420 to do that because I don't know how much 2705 01:51:22,990 --> 01:51:19,340 patience I have for going through old 2706 01:51:24,490 --> 01:51:23,000 grimoires but maybe somebody else hey if 2707 01:51:26,879 --> 01:51:24,500 I can just back up a little bit there 2708 01:51:29,709 --> 01:51:26,889 you were saying something about the 2709 01:51:31,569 --> 01:51:29,719 faith folk having like being a dying 2710 01:51:33,129 --> 01:51:31,579 race and needing fresh blood like is 2711 01:51:34,540 --> 01:51:33,139 that actually in the mythology or is 2712 01:51:36,819 --> 01:51:34,550 that just something you throw under a 2713 01:51:39,209 --> 01:51:36,829 hundred percent a hundred percent which 2714 01:51:42,100 --> 01:51:39,219 is again I used to be really 2715 01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:42,110 dispassionate about the connections 2716 01:51:46,810 --> 01:51:44,570 between the faith folklore and the UFO 2717 01:51:48,310 --> 01:51:46,820 folklore but the more the more you spend 2718 01:51:50,350 --> 01:51:48,320 immersed in this the more you say look 2719 01:51:51,850 --> 01:51:50,360 these have got to be you know different 2720 01:51:53,640 --> 01:51:51,860 interpretations of the same thing 2721 01:51:55,899 --> 01:51:53,650 whether or not it's you know 2722 01:51:58,330 --> 01:51:55,909 misinterpretations of ET phenomena or 2723 01:51:59,530 --> 01:51:58,340 misinterpretations of land spirit 2724 01:52:01,060 --> 01:51:59,540 phenomena or something that we don't 2725 01:52:01,959 --> 01:52:01,070 even understand I think that they've got 2726 01:52:03,939 --> 01:52:01,969 to be the same thing because you know 2727 01:52:06,339 --> 01:52:03,949 you look at these stories of what the 2728 01:52:07,990 --> 01:52:06,349 next book is all about paranormal child 2729 01:52:09,400 --> 01:52:08,000 abduction from the fairy of fate through 2730 01:52:10,660 --> 01:52:09,410 the UFO era and also looking 2731 01:52:12,160 --> 01:52:10,670 worldwide traditions and worldwide 2732 01:52:13,900 --> 01:52:12,170 beliefs in this but it was one of the 2733 01:52:15,580 --> 01:52:13,910 beliefs that among others there were 2734 01:52:17,800 --> 01:52:15,590 several others but the idea that one of 2735 01:52:22,330 --> 01:52:17,810 the primary reasons that children would 2736 01:52:25,120 --> 01:52:22,340 be taken is because they the fairies 2737 01:52:27,910 --> 01:52:25,130 were a dying race and they were doomed 2738 01:52:30,220 --> 01:52:27,920 to expire unless they regularly 2739 01:52:33,940 --> 01:52:30,230 interjected their race with vigor from 2740 01:52:36,160 --> 01:52:33,950 another source primarily you know human 2741 01:52:37,510 --> 01:52:36,170 human children that's one interpretation 2742 01:52:42,010 --> 01:52:37,520 the other is that they would literally 2743 01:52:43,720 --> 01:52:42,020 just not necessarily you know take these 2744 01:52:44,920 --> 01:52:43,730 children for a breeding stock but 2745 01:52:46,930 --> 01:52:44,930 actually like sort of incorporated them 2746 01:52:49,210 --> 01:52:46,940 into fairy society and that would you 2747 01:52:51,790 --> 01:52:49,220 know that would help to encourage the 2748 01:52:55,030 --> 01:52:51,800 vitality and the vigor of their race as 2749 01:52:56,410 --> 01:52:55,040 well it becomes a little bit difficult 2750 01:52:58,620 --> 01:52:56,420 because a lot of times when people would 2751 01:53:00,820 --> 01:52:58,630 die or they'd be sick or they would be 2752 01:53:02,200 --> 01:53:00,830 mentally ill eat so they were gone with 2753 01:53:05,070 --> 01:53:02,210 the fairies so that doesn't necessarily 2754 01:53:07,180 --> 01:53:05,080 mean there's always a physical abduction 2755 01:53:08,770 --> 01:53:07,190 but you know that's just one of the many 2756 01:53:11,020 --> 01:53:08,780 things that more than any one of the 2757 01:53:14,310 --> 01:53:11,030 many connections that you'll find I mean 2758 01:53:20,170 --> 01:53:17,920 parallelism of quotes um I'm sure you 2759 01:53:21,580 --> 01:53:20,180 recall um you know Charles forts quote 2760 01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:21,590 from the book of the Damned I think 2761 01:53:26,920 --> 01:53:23,930 we're property and you'll you know you 2762 01:53:29,290 --> 01:53:26,930 can look at Whitley streamer's exchange 2763 01:53:31,150 --> 01:53:29,300 with one of his visitors that they had 2764 01:53:32,620 --> 01:53:31,160 no right to be doing to them what he did 2765 01:53:35,140 --> 01:53:32,630 and they said we do have a right you 2766 01:53:36,940 --> 01:53:35,150 know really stunning revelation but you 2767 01:53:38,830 --> 01:53:36,950 also find you know some stuff in fairy 2768 01:53:45,120 --> 01:53:38,840 lore from Crofton croaker who was a 2769 01:53:48,040 --> 01:53:45,130 great Celtic and antiquarian said in the 2770 01:53:49,870 --> 01:53:48,050 1830s or so it seems as if the elves 2771 01:53:52,480 --> 01:53:49,880 divided themselves among them the soul 2772 01:53:54,160 --> 01:53:52,490 of men and considered them thence forth 2773 01:53:55,600 --> 01:53:54,170 as their property so there are these 2774 01:53:58,510 --> 01:53:55,610 little parallels that you'll find that 2775 01:54:00,730 --> 01:53:58,520 really really are quite striking across 2776 01:54:01,810 --> 01:54:00,740 all of this and I guess you know coming 2777 01:54:04,660 --> 01:54:01,820 back to what Jean had mentioned about 2778 01:54:06,220 --> 01:54:04,670 like how I do the things that I do it 2779 01:54:08,980 --> 01:54:06,230 started out as inquiry but now I'm 2780 01:54:11,410 --> 01:54:08,990 really wanting to illustrate the depth 2781 01:54:13,150 --> 01:54:11,420 of parallels between the UFO phenomena 2782 01:54:14,290 --> 01:54:13,160 and fairy phenomena which have been 2783 01:54:16,780 --> 01:54:14,300 pointed out again but I don't think 2784 01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:16,790 anyone really appreciates how deep the 2785 01:54:19,720 --> 01:54:19,010 rabbit-hole goes on this that's really 2786 01:54:21,930 --> 01:54:19,730 interesting 2787 01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:21,940 thanks for elaborating on that 2788 01:54:29,280 --> 01:54:24,250 one small point there because that 2789 01:54:30,780 --> 01:54:29,290 really does magnify it out to to make 2790 01:54:35,190 --> 01:54:30,790 you scratch your head just a little bit 2791 01:54:37,620 --> 01:54:35,200 because the whole dying race the trope 2792 01:54:40,140 --> 01:54:37,630 almost now you call this that's in a lot 2793 01:54:41,910 --> 01:54:40,150 of the UFO stuff in sci-fi stuff too and 2794 01:54:46,170 --> 01:54:41,920 and to think that it had come out of 2795 01:54:47,580 --> 01:54:46,180 some obscure mythology from fairy Laura 2796 01:54:49,860 --> 01:54:47,590 I mean that's that's a really 2797 01:54:52,470 --> 01:54:49,870 interesting bit of trivia well you know 2798 01:54:56,460 --> 01:54:52,480 III I'm doing this a little bit more in 2799 01:55:00,060 --> 01:54:56,470 my research but but um it becomes very 2800 01:55:04,080 --> 01:55:00,070 apparent that that this is a worldwide 2801 01:55:05,520 --> 01:55:04,090 motif as well you know again does that 2802 01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:05,530 does that imply an objective reality to 2803 01:55:09,960 --> 01:55:07,690 it I don't know but it's really really 2804 01:55:11,520 --> 01:55:09,970 interesting to me yeah it's kind of like 2805 01:55:14,130 --> 01:55:11,530 okay you know you could you could see 2806 01:55:17,250 --> 01:55:14,140 some things being common you know the 2807 01:55:19,800 --> 01:55:17,260 offerings of food for favors from the 2808 01:55:21,960 --> 01:55:19,810 gods but to come up with this whole idea 2809 01:55:23,610 --> 01:55:21,970 that there's another mysterious race 2810 01:55:27,660 --> 01:55:23,620 that is actually dying out and needs 2811 01:55:29,880 --> 01:55:27,670 fresh blood from from another race in 2812 01:55:32,190 --> 01:55:29,890 order to maintain their existence that 2813 01:55:34,740 --> 01:55:32,200 that's a little more complex for people 2814 01:55:36,300 --> 01:55:34,750 I think so and you know one of the 2815 01:55:38,820 --> 01:55:36,310 things that's been noted ad nauseam but 2816 01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:38,830 you know Graham Hancock and and 2817 01:55:42,180 --> 01:55:40,570 Christopher all back and some a couple 2818 01:55:44,340 --> 01:55:42,190 different individuals is the appearance 2819 01:55:46,710 --> 01:55:44,350 between fairy changelings and you know 2820 01:55:48,870 --> 01:55:46,720 alien hybrids of the you know the David 2821 01:55:50,220 --> 01:55:48,880 Jacobs variety which I as as an 2822 01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:50,230 objective thing I don't personally put a 2823 01:55:54,840 --> 01:55:52,090 lot of stock in but if you look at the 2824 01:55:56,190 --> 01:55:54,850 comparisons between these these fairy 2825 01:55:57,810 --> 01:55:56,200 babies who are left in the place of 2826 01:56:00,600 --> 01:55:57,820 human babies after they were stolen and 2827 01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:00,610 these human-alien hybrids that are 2828 01:56:06,750 --> 01:56:02,890 presented to abductees the descriptions 2829 01:56:09,660 --> 01:56:06,760 are often dead-on listlessness thin arms 2830 01:56:11,790 --> 01:56:09,670 general just disgusting appearance large 2831 01:56:14,280 --> 01:56:11,800 eyes you know 2832 01:56:15,590 --> 01:56:14,290 patchy bits of hair the the connection 2833 01:56:17,970 --> 01:56:15,600 is there really interesting as well 2834 01:56:19,770 --> 01:56:17,980 again in both cases you know the mothers 2835 01:56:22,200 --> 01:56:19,780 of these changelings and the mothers of 2836 01:56:24,390 --> 01:56:22,210 alien hybrids often experience the same 2837 01:56:26,400 --> 01:56:24,400 sensation of revulsion in both these 2838 01:56:28,200 --> 01:56:26,410 cases so this and this again this is 2839 01:56:29,490 --> 01:56:28,210 just literally scratching the surface of 2840 01:56:32,480 --> 01:56:29,500 some of the stuff that I've found that's 2841 01:56:34,830 --> 01:56:32,490 just really really really bizarre 2842 01:56:35,640 --> 01:56:34,840 connections between the two that I think 2843 01:56:37,649 --> 01:56:35,650 really 2844 01:56:39,149 --> 01:56:37,659 warrant a second look do you so do you 2845 01:56:41,580 --> 01:56:39,159 think it's a preponderance of all of 2846 01:56:44,189 --> 01:56:41,590 these small data points or is there 2847 01:56:46,290 --> 01:56:44,199 really some you know what you might 2848 01:56:50,070 --> 01:56:46,300 think of as sort of like a you know The 2849 01:56:51,810 --> 01:56:50,080 Smoking Gun kind of I mean not yet you 2850 01:56:54,090 --> 01:56:51,820 know obviously that would imply some 2851 01:56:55,590 --> 01:56:54,100 sort of physical evidence but I don't 2852 01:56:57,180 --> 01:56:55,600 mean that but like what's your thing 2853 01:56:59,399 --> 01:56:57,190 where is your real focus on this like 2854 01:57:00,959 --> 01:56:59,409 what do you think it is have you got any 2855 01:57:05,010 --> 01:57:00,969 kind of a theory that you're willing to 2856 01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:05,020 go out on a limb for here uh is this 2857 01:57:09,600 --> 01:57:06,610 this is where I have to be coy and I 2858 01:57:11,189 --> 01:57:09,610 have to say well that's coming out you 2859 01:57:13,860 --> 01:57:11,199 know I think that I think that if you 2860 01:57:16,140 --> 01:57:13,870 look at my first two books and then this 2861 01:57:18,439 --> 01:57:16,150 third book that's coming out I think 2862 01:57:23,189 --> 01:57:18,449 that you'll see an evolution of thoughts 2863 01:57:24,540 --> 01:57:23,199 your break with Joshua Jean and Randall 2864 01:57:30,890 --> 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para cast comm so we're 2961 02:02:05,639 --> 02:02:03,099 just really having a rollicking time 2962 02:02:07,770 --> 02:02:05,649 here and I certainly think we answered 2963 02:02:09,750 --> 02:02:07,780 the concern of one of our listeners that 2964 02:02:11,790 --> 02:02:09,760 we talk about UFOs too much because 2965 02:02:14,699 --> 02:02:11,800 we're pointing out here that UFOs are 2966 02:02:17,250 --> 02:02:14,709 only part of what's going on there now 2967 02:02:21,509 --> 02:02:17,260 getting back to Greg bishops co-creation 2968 02:02:24,719 --> 02:02:21,519 theory again when we look at that are we 2969 02:02:28,469 --> 02:02:24,729 thinking here that each individual is 2970 02:02:30,270 --> 02:02:28,479 using pop culture to generate in parts 2971 02:02:32,879 --> 02:02:30,280 the experiences they're going through I 2972 02:02:34,379 --> 02:02:32,889 mean I don't think that there's a single 2973 02:02:36,569 --> 02:02:34,389 thing that I see in my day-to-day life 2974 02:02:38,429 --> 02:02:36,579 that isn't influenced by my culture not 2975 02:02:41,580 --> 02:02:38,439 only you know American culture but also 2976 02:02:43,560 --> 02:02:41,590 southern culture family culture my 2977 02:02:44,850 --> 02:02:43,570 musician's culture it's all presented 2978 02:02:45,929 --> 02:02:44,860 through that lens now it doesn't 2979 02:02:47,459 --> 02:02:45,939 necessarily mean that I view it 2980 02:02:48,629 --> 02:02:47,469 literally completely different but it 2981 02:02:49,589 --> 02:02:48,639 does mean that I might notice some 2982 02:02:51,750 --> 02:02:49,599 things that other people might not 2983 02:02:53,850 --> 02:02:51,760 notice and vice versa I might not notice 2984 02:02:56,069 --> 02:02:53,860 some things that other people notice so 2985 02:02:57,330 --> 02:02:56,079 I'm not sure I do think that priming 2986 02:02:59,369 --> 02:02:57,340 plays a role in these experiences 2987 02:03:01,770 --> 02:02:59,379 regardless and you know like my 2988 02:03:03,779 --> 02:03:01,780 different books my opinions change and 2989 02:03:06,719 --> 02:03:03,789 it might seem contradictory but you know 2990 02:03:10,109 --> 02:03:06,729 I I reserve the right to change my 2991 02:03:12,299 --> 02:03:10,119 opinion I think it's necessary to evolve 2992 02:03:16,319 --> 02:03:12,309 our opinions it's it's worse when we 2993 02:03:18,779 --> 02:03:16,329 hang on to things the ideas that we know 2994 02:03:21,149 --> 02:03:18,789 we ought to change just because we've 2995 02:03:23,639 --> 02:03:21,159 written them in the past and we want to 2996 02:03:25,649 --> 02:03:23,649 try to maintain the validity of some 2997 02:03:27,899 --> 02:03:25,659 past notion when we know it's time to 2998 02:03:29,429 --> 02:03:27,909 change the motif of the the political 2999 02:03:30,929 --> 02:03:29,439 flip flopper is one of the most toxic 3000 02:03:32,729 --> 02:03:30,939 ideas you know and it's one thing to 3001 02:03:34,439 --> 02:03:32,739 change your opinion back and forth but 3002 02:03:36,060 --> 02:03:34,449 to have evolved over the course of 3003 02:03:37,399 --> 02:03:36,070 several years I think is important to 3004 02:03:40,229 --> 02:03:37,409 being a human being 3005 02:03:42,560 --> 02:03:40,239 absolutely yeah yeah completely 3006 02:03:44,969 --> 02:03:42,570 different contexts there for sure to 3007 02:03:47,299 --> 02:03:44,979 backtrack a little bit here when you 3008 02:03:51,259 --> 02:03:47,309 were we were talking about some of the 3009 02:03:54,750 --> 02:03:51,269 traditional notions of the fairy folk my 3010 02:03:56,819 --> 02:03:54,760 background has some Nordic in it 3011 02:03:59,069 --> 02:03:56,829 the whole Santa Clause thing for them 3012 02:04:01,080 --> 02:03:59,079 were these little little guys called 3013 02:04:01,440 --> 02:04:01,090 Nisa men and they were in these little 3014 02:04:03,570 --> 02:04:01,450 red 3015 02:04:04,890 --> 02:04:03,580 suits and they were very small and they 3016 02:04:08,610 --> 02:04:04,900 were seen in the forest and they were a 3017 02:04:10,140 --> 02:04:08,620 lot like sort of the Smurfs actually 3018 02:04:13,830 --> 02:04:10,150 more than they were the you know the 3019 02:04:16,440 --> 02:04:13,840 large coca-cola Santa but you know over 3020 02:04:18,840 --> 02:04:16,450 the years that's what they developed 3021 02:04:20,760 --> 02:04:18,850 into and yet just to finish that off of 3022 02:04:23,610 --> 02:04:20,770 course we have that tradition of leaving 3023 02:04:25,380 --> 02:04:23,620 say some milk and cookies out yes I mean 3024 02:04:26,610 --> 02:04:25,390 it that you got that you got all the 3025 02:04:28,740 --> 02:04:26,620 hallmarks you've got that direct 3026 02:04:30,570 --> 02:04:28,750 exchange you know you've got the method 3027 02:04:32,130 --> 02:04:30,580 of ingress and egress being you know the 3028 02:04:33,660 --> 02:04:32,140 chimney I think there's something 3029 02:04:35,460 --> 02:04:33,670 interesting to that too I mean if you 3030 02:04:37,290 --> 02:04:35,470 look at the idea that witches and 3031 02:04:39,930 --> 02:04:37,300 fairies and you know obviously Santa 3032 02:04:41,250 --> 02:04:39,940 Claus comes in out of the chimney means 3033 02:04:43,230 --> 02:04:41,260 that they don't have to use their doors 3034 02:04:45,120 --> 02:04:43,240 and what do you know modern aliens 3035 02:04:46,530 --> 02:04:45,130 modern quote-unquote aliens do they just 3036 02:04:47,610 --> 02:04:46,540 appear in your house you know it doesn't 3037 02:04:49,710 --> 02:04:47,620 matter how many times you lock your 3038 02:04:51,930 --> 02:04:49,720 doors or if you've got your if you've 3039 02:04:53,430 --> 02:04:51,940 got your alarm on they're just gonna 3040 02:04:55,410 --> 02:04:53,440 appear in your house so I think that 3041 02:04:58,170 --> 02:04:55,420 there's a little bit of a vague parallel 3042 02:04:59,700 --> 02:04:58,180 with that too yeah I'm seeing this 3043 02:05:01,230 --> 02:04:59,710 person could suppose well how did they 3044 02:05:03,720 --> 02:05:01,240 get in wathe must have come through the 3045 02:05:06,140 --> 02:05:03,730 chimney now how exactly have you found 3046 02:05:10,410 --> 02:05:06,150 any kind of parallels with the 3047 02:05:12,120 --> 02:05:10,420 intergenerational experiences with 3048 02:05:14,460 --> 02:05:12,130 fairies compared to the 3049 02:05:19,110 --> 02:05:14,470 intergenerational experiences with UFO 3050 02:05:20,520 --> 02:05:19,120 or abduction phenomena 100% less 3051 02:05:23,970 --> 02:05:20,530 intergenerational I mean there's there 3052 02:05:25,140 --> 02:05:23,980 some examples that I have but the 3053 02:05:26,820 --> 02:05:25,150 biggest problem is that when people are 3054 02:05:29,670 --> 02:05:26,830 taken by the fairies they tended to be 3055 02:05:31,230 --> 02:05:29,680 taken by the fairies for good but there 3056 02:05:32,790 --> 02:05:31,240 is some intergenerational stuff there's 3057 02:05:34,830 --> 02:05:32,800 also something that's a lot more common 3058 02:05:37,440 --> 02:05:34,840 is multiple multiple children being 3059 02:05:40,020 --> 02:05:37,450 taken in the same family now of course 3060 02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:40,030 you know completely rationally when I 3061 02:05:48,830 --> 02:05:44,010 talk about things like things like 3062 02:05:51,570 --> 02:05:48,840 changelings for example it is very clear 3063 02:05:53,130 --> 02:05:51,580 and you have to be absolutely realistic 3064 02:05:54,720 --> 02:05:53,140 about this a lot of these changeling 3065 02:05:57,750 --> 02:05:54,730 stories were children with developmental 3066 02:05:59,100 --> 02:05:57,760 disabilities which really does reinforce 3067 02:06:01,080 --> 02:05:59,110 a lot of different things about 3068 02:06:02,670 --> 02:06:01,090 furthermore the propensity for multiple 3069 02:06:08,010 --> 02:06:02,680 children in the same family to be taken 3070 02:06:10,200 --> 02:06:08,020 implies a genetic link the the tendency 3071 02:06:13,370 --> 02:06:10,210 for fairies to want to take boys as 3072 02:06:14,910 --> 02:06:13,380 opposed to as opposed to girls also 3073 02:06:16,440 --> 02:06:14,920 corresponds with developmen 3074 02:06:19,470 --> 02:06:16,450 with disabilities which are more common 3075 02:06:21,330 --> 02:06:19,480 among boys the males and females so you 3076 02:06:23,610 --> 02:06:21,340 know you sort of have to temper a lot of 3077 02:06:25,080 --> 02:06:23,620 these stories with the idea that these 3078 02:06:28,350 --> 02:06:25,090 people might just be searching to 3079 02:06:31,140 --> 02:06:28,360 describe things like Down syndrome like 3080 02:06:33,180 --> 02:06:31,150 Williams syndrome like progeria like 3081 02:06:34,710 --> 02:06:33,190 autism they're trying to describe these 3082 02:06:36,990 --> 02:06:34,720 things to the through their cultural 3083 02:06:38,910 --> 02:06:37,000 context at the time but yeah I mean 3084 02:06:41,970 --> 02:06:38,920 there's definitely a there's definitely 3085 02:06:44,010 --> 02:06:41,980 a hereditary genetic component to the 3086 02:06:45,750 --> 02:06:44,020 theory abduction experience as well do 3087 02:06:48,630 --> 02:06:45,760 you think that there's some connection 3088 02:06:50,610 --> 02:06:48,640 between missing people in modern times 3089 02:06:53,250 --> 02:06:50,620 and missing children and these 3090 02:06:54,720 --> 02:06:53,260 abductions or do you think that it's you 3091 02:06:56,730 --> 02:06:54,730 know what's going on there like the 3092 02:06:59,160 --> 02:06:56,740 whole you know missing for one one thing 3093 02:07:01,320 --> 02:06:59,170 or whatever well the new the new book 3094 02:07:02,730 --> 02:07:01,330 which is tentatively titled thieves in 3095 02:07:04,560 --> 02:07:02,740 the night I don't see that title really 3096 02:07:07,200 --> 02:07:04,570 changing first parts of all fairies 3097 02:07:08,280 --> 02:07:07,210 second parts about creatures in general 3098 02:07:09,900 --> 02:07:08,290 across the world that abduct children 3099 02:07:11,790 --> 02:07:09,910 third parts about the propensity of 3100 02:07:14,760 --> 02:07:11,800 alien abductions to happen to children 3101 02:07:16,140 --> 02:07:14,770 or to begin in youth then as I have to 3102 02:07:17,520 --> 02:07:16,150 do in these books I talk about Sasquatch 3103 02:07:18,810 --> 02:07:17,530 a little bit I talk about another 3104 02:07:20,220 --> 02:07:18,820 phenomenon which I call the crib 3105 02:07:22,500 --> 02:07:20,230 creepers which are entities that are 3106 02:07:24,570 --> 02:07:22,510 seen around children's beds or cribs but 3107 02:07:27,600 --> 02:07:24,580 don't explicitly take them away 3108 02:07:28,920 --> 02:07:27,610 and then the last one of the last parts 3109 02:07:30,450 --> 02:07:28,930 is looking at how this might fit into 3110 02:07:32,010 --> 02:07:30,460 the missing for one one thing and I will 3111 02:07:33,810 --> 02:07:32,020 say that the missing for one one 3112 02:07:36,570 --> 02:07:33,820 phenomena or you know the estranged 3113 02:07:38,310 --> 02:07:36,580 disappearance of individuals in the 3114 02:07:41,100 --> 02:07:38,320 water in certain national parks I think 3115 02:07:42,990 --> 02:07:41,110 is it's it's a strong part of my 3116 02:07:46,350 --> 02:07:43,000 conclusions and honestly I've written 3117 02:07:48,240 --> 02:07:46,360 about this on my blog the fairy faith is 3118 02:07:50,130 --> 02:07:48,250 the only thing that accounts for a lot 3119 02:07:51,450 --> 02:07:50,140 of the outlying data points on the 3120 02:07:52,650 --> 02:07:51,460 missing for well one stuff you look at 3121 02:07:54,720 --> 02:07:52,660 the peat the tendency of people to 3122 02:07:57,750 --> 02:07:54,730 disappear near bodies of water or 3123 02:07:59,870 --> 02:07:57,760 boulder fields both tons of evidence or 3124 02:08:03,270 --> 02:07:59,880 tons of you know ethnographic 3125 02:08:06,030 --> 02:08:03,280 ethnographic evidence that these were 3126 02:08:09,090 --> 02:08:06,040 where fairies lived the idea the idea 3127 02:08:10,890 --> 02:08:09,100 that these people tend to these ideas 3128 02:08:12,420 --> 02:08:10,900 these people tend to wear bright colored 3129 02:08:14,070 --> 02:08:12,430 clothing will that offended the fairy 3130 02:08:16,350 --> 02:08:14,080 folk and that's and then you would be 3131 02:08:18,690 --> 02:08:16,360 taken by the fairy folk the tendency for 3132 02:08:20,280 --> 02:08:18,700 these to be you know there's a slight 3133 02:08:21,720 --> 02:08:20,290 tendency if I recall for them to be men 3134 02:08:24,420 --> 02:08:21,730 again you have that connection that I've 3135 02:08:26,160 --> 02:08:24,430 already mentioned as well you know if 3136 02:08:28,030 --> 02:08:26,170 you look at the tendency for people in 3137 02:08:29,590 --> 02:08:28,040 missing 4 1 1 to disrobe or leave their 3138 02:08:31,390 --> 02:08:29,600 close in a certain place well in 3139 02:08:35,170 --> 02:08:31,400 Hawaiian tradition if you ran into the 3140 02:08:37,900 --> 02:08:35,180 Menehune which are sort of half the dead 3141 02:08:39,250 --> 02:08:37,910 and half path fairy folk you were you 3142 02:08:41,200 --> 02:08:39,260 were supposed to strip naked and 3143 02:08:43,270 --> 02:08:41,210 prostrate yourself onto the ground face 3144 02:08:44,800 --> 02:08:43,280 down into the ground as a sign of 3145 02:08:45,910 --> 02:08:44,810 humility that's exactly how a lot of 3146 02:08:49,300 --> 02:08:45,920 these missing for one when people are 3147 02:08:52,540 --> 02:08:49,310 found it literally satisfies almost 3148 02:08:54,520 --> 02:08:52,550 almost every data point that Politis is 3149 02:08:56,620 --> 02:08:54,530 found to be really interesting so I 3150 02:08:57,910 --> 02:08:56,630 don't think I'm not content to just say 3151 02:08:58,960 --> 02:08:57,920 that I think that there's something to 3152 02:09:01,000 --> 02:08:58,970 do with that and something to do with 3153 02:09:02,800 --> 02:09:01,010 this psychopomp idea something also to 3154 02:09:04,030 --> 02:09:02,810 do with this developmental disability 3155 02:09:06,640 --> 02:09:04,040 idea and I try to bring all those 3156 02:09:10,330 --> 02:09:06,650 disparate threads together into one idea 3157 02:09:11,710 --> 02:09:10,340 at the end um you know that my publisher 3158 02:09:14,380 --> 02:09:11,720 Patrick wheesh says it's an interesting 3159 02:09:15,940 --> 02:09:14,390 it's an interesting hypothesis he's not 3160 02:09:17,860 --> 02:09:15,950 he's not sure how much he believes it 3161 02:09:20,500 --> 02:09:17,870 but you know it's it's so it's out there 3162 02:09:23,350 --> 02:09:20,510 I will say that I found a case in 3163 02:09:27,720 --> 02:09:23,360 Michael Ellen's new book that is 3164 02:09:30,640 --> 02:09:27,730 literally my hypothesis put out to a tee 3165 02:09:32,620 --> 02:09:30,650 so yeah I think that so yeah long story 3166 02:09:34,330 --> 02:09:32,630 short the missing for one one thing is 3167 02:09:36,310 --> 02:09:34,340 definitely addressed and it's something 3168 02:09:37,930 --> 02:09:36,320 that I think plays an integral role in a 3169 02:09:41,530 --> 02:09:37,940 lot of these phenomena I should point 3170 02:09:44,550 --> 02:09:41,540 out folks that we had David Politis on 3171 02:09:49,180 --> 02:09:44,560 the podcast way back when back in 3172 02:09:51,520 --> 02:09:49,190 December 2nd 2012 so if you're 3173 02:09:53,530 --> 02:09:51,530 interested that's part of it right there 3174 02:09:55,510 --> 02:09:53,540 now conventionally explained 3175 02:09:57,810 --> 02:09:55,520 disappearances of children is sometimes 3176 02:10:02,080 --> 02:09:57,820 related to some kind of marital issue 3177 02:10:05,500 --> 02:10:02,090 where one parent decides that they will 3178 02:10:06,850 --> 02:10:05,510 go away with the child and disappear 3179 02:10:10,270 --> 02:10:06,860 somewhere that's one thing we'll get 3180 02:10:14,260 --> 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Peric ascom that's 3306 02:15:38,580 --> 02:15:37,450 plus not the para cast com we also give 3307 02:15:40,620 --> 02:15:38,590 you a version of this show with better 3308 02:15:43,800 --> 02:15:40,630 quality audio I don't change but 3309 02:15:45,390 --> 02:15:43,810 everybody else sounds better for as 3310 02:15:47,220 --> 02:15:45,400 little as a dollar 49 a week that's 3311 02:15:49,020 --> 02:15:47,230 because of the guy on YouTube who said 3312 02:15:50,880 --> 02:15:49,030 he didn't have any money so I figured 3313 02:15:52,500 --> 02:15:50,890 look if you can buy a cup of coffee at 3314 02:15:54,870 --> 02:15:52,510 one of the convenience stores like a 3315 02:15:56,670 --> 02:15:54,880 7-eleven or a circle-k you could 3316 02:15:58,620 --> 02:15:56,680 certainly give that up and get 3317 02:16:01,800 --> 02:15:58,630 subscriptions to the power cast plus if 3318 02:16:04,200 --> 02:16:01,810 you smoke even one pack of cigarettes a 3319 02:16:05,520 --> 02:16:04,210 week we give you such a better deal and 3320 02:16:08,670 --> 02:16:05,530 you'll live a lot longer 3321 02:16:11,880 --> 02:16:08,680 okay think about it that way oh just one 3322 02:16:15,690 --> 02:16:11,890 more thing somebody put a note on this 3323 02:16:18,450 --> 02:16:15,700 is YouTube suggesting that they feel 3324 02:16:21,150 --> 02:16:18,460 that we need more diversity in the 3325 02:16:23,300 --> 02:16:21,160 commercials we run and that it's just 3326 02:16:25,500 --> 02:16:23,310 male voices well here's what happens 3327 02:16:27,600 --> 02:16:25,510 except for commercials where you hear me 3328 02:16:30,120 --> 02:16:27,610 for better or worse those commercials 3329 02:16:33,000 --> 02:16:30,130 are provided by the network if you think 3330 02:16:33,919 --> 02:16:33,010 they should get female announcers I have 3331 02:16:37,230 --> 02:16:33,929 no problem with that 3332 02:16:40,200 --> 02:16:37,240 right to GCN I have no control over it 3333 02:16:42,060 --> 02:16:40,210 how's that go Joshua what do you think I 3334 02:16:44,970 --> 02:16:42,070 think you know making your voice heard 3335 02:16:48,030 --> 02:16:44,980 is always the right thing to do I mean I 3336 02:16:49,140 --> 02:16:48,040 don't go up to Minnesota and demonstrate 3337 02:16:51,690 --> 02:16:49,150 before them because they're nice people 3338 02:16:51,980 --> 02:16:51,700 over there maybe maybe you have to tell 3339 02:16:53,690 --> 02:16:51,990 their 3340 02:16:55,930 --> 02:16:53,700 Verte Isis you know because they'll take 3341 02:16:59,150 --> 02:16:55,940 the advertiser dollar where it comes 3342 02:17:02,390 --> 02:16:59,160 they're in business so we should tell 3343 02:17:05,660 --> 02:17:02,400 our advertisers we want more variations 3344 02:17:07,340 --> 02:17:05,670 in those voices thieves in the night we 3345 02:17:09,140 --> 02:17:07,350 were talking about the implications of 3346 02:17:11,480 --> 02:17:09,150 that so I think I mentioned briefly the 3347 02:17:13,430 --> 02:17:11,490 fact that that might have perfectly 3348 02:17:16,250 --> 02:17:13,440 conventional explanations such as a 3349 02:17:19,040 --> 02:17:16,260 marital conflict of some kind some are 3350 02:17:22,640 --> 02:17:19,050 into evil purposes 3351 02:17:25,100 --> 02:17:22,650 to kidnap people for purposes that are 3352 02:17:26,870 --> 02:17:25,110 only discussed on such TV shows as Law & 3353 02:17:30,550 --> 02:17:26,880 Order Special Victims Unit 3354 02:17:32,750 --> 02:17:30,560 what's your feeling it well you know in 3355 02:17:34,220 --> 02:17:32,760 most of today's stats say that eighty 3356 02:17:36,800 --> 02:17:34,230 eight hundred thousand children go 3357 02:17:40,400 --> 02:17:36,810 missing annually in the US alone which 3358 02:17:42,080 --> 02:17:40,410 is a startlingly huge number but I mean 3359 02:17:43,160 --> 02:17:42,090 obviously you know a lot of these things 3360 02:17:44,990 --> 02:17:43,170 we're talking about how you know 3361 02:17:47,870 --> 02:17:45,000 changelings were a way of blaming you 3362 02:17:49,880 --> 02:17:47,880 know developmental disorders similarly 3363 02:17:51,320 --> 02:17:49,890 you know the fairies were blamed for a 3364 02:17:53,600 --> 02:17:51,330 lot of things I have examples of 3365 02:17:55,430 --> 02:17:53,610 children girls who went off to become 3366 02:17:56,660 --> 02:17:55,440 prostitutes and their family instead of 3367 02:17:59,030 --> 02:17:56,670 saying what really happened said they 3368 02:18:01,910 --> 02:17:59,040 went off to be with the fairies a lot of 3369 02:18:04,370 --> 02:18:01,920 times tragically especially in 19th 3370 02:18:06,230 --> 02:18:04,380 century Ireland infanticide was a huge 3371 02:18:08,720 --> 02:18:06,240 deal pair families couldn't deal with 3372 02:18:10,310 --> 02:18:08,730 their with the extra economic 3373 02:18:11,840 --> 02:18:10,320 constraints of having a child to give 3374 02:18:14,300 --> 02:18:11,850 you some sense of how incredible this 3375 02:18:16,430 --> 02:18:14,310 was there's a lady who wrote a book 3376 02:18:18,890 --> 02:18:16,440 called a most diabolical deed about 3377 02:18:22,970 --> 02:18:18,900 infanticide in Irish society just 3378 02:18:25,490 --> 02:18:22,980 between 1850 and 1900 she looked at just 3379 02:18:27,920 --> 02:18:25,500 cases of infanticide of children less 3380 02:18:29,510 --> 02:18:27,930 than three years old four thousand six 3381 02:18:32,360 --> 02:18:29,520 hundred forty five cases in a 50 year 3382 02:18:34,160 --> 02:18:32,370 period so obviously it was a lot easier 3383 02:18:36,080 --> 02:18:34,170 to say well my child was a changeling so 3384 02:18:37,880 --> 02:18:36,090 that's why I threw it in the fire or 3385 02:18:39,140 --> 02:18:37,890 that's why I left it abandoned you know 3386 02:18:40,730 --> 02:18:39,150 by this rock is because it was a 3387 02:18:43,460 --> 02:18:40,740 changeling oh the fairies didn't bring 3388 02:18:44,360 --> 02:18:43,470 my child back how tragic um so you know 3389 02:18:46,970 --> 02:18:44,370 when you're talking about the sort of 3390 02:18:48,920 --> 02:18:46,980 thing you have to to acknowledge the 3391 02:18:50,780 --> 02:18:48,930 fact that it's I mean a lot of that a 3392 02:18:53,150 --> 02:18:50,790 lot of this book is a lot of thieves in 3393 02:18:54,470 --> 02:18:53,160 the night is it's pretty dark but I 3394 02:18:57,110 --> 02:18:54,480 think you have to really you know face 3395 02:18:59,240 --> 02:18:57,120 this from a level-headed objective 3396 02:19:01,640 --> 02:18:59,250 standpoint you know in exhaust all the 3397 02:19:03,780 --> 02:19:01,650 materialist explanations or all the the 3398 02:19:07,200 --> 02:19:03,790 conventional explanations because Allah 3399 02:19:08,430 --> 02:19:07,210 them account for most of the cases but 3400 02:19:10,589 --> 02:19:08,440 at the same time you know I think that's 3401 02:19:12,270 --> 02:19:10,599 it's also something that I think should 3402 02:19:14,160 --> 02:19:12,280 be brought to people's attention that 3403 02:19:17,430 --> 02:19:14,170 this is some one of the ways that we 3404 02:19:18,990 --> 02:19:17,440 human beings cope with tragedy and you 3405 02:19:21,870 --> 02:19:19,000 know so we can sort of safeguard against 3406 02:19:24,209 --> 02:19:21,880 using poor ideas to cope with tragedy in 3407 02:19:27,870 --> 02:19:24,219 the future has there ever been a case 3408 02:19:32,970 --> 02:19:27,880 where a child has been taken and then 3409 02:19:34,919 --> 02:19:32,980 come back again in the fairy lore even 3410 02:19:36,629 --> 02:19:34,929 not just in the lore but say maybe in 3411 02:19:38,990 --> 02:19:36,639 more modern times where somebody you 3412 02:19:41,490 --> 02:19:39,000 know something that might actually be 3413 02:19:44,700 --> 02:19:41,500 traceable to an actual story as opposed 3414 02:19:47,780 --> 02:19:44,710 to a fable yeah I mean there is a really 3415 02:19:51,660 --> 02:19:47,790 interesting case that I found from 3416 02:19:53,580 --> 02:19:51,670 Alaska where there was a child in 2008 3417 02:19:55,320 --> 02:19:53,590 this is true newspaper so I have to 3418 02:19:56,610 --> 02:19:55,330 assume that there's you know it's true 3419 02:19:59,280 --> 02:19:56,620 it wasn't published on April Fool's or 3420 02:20:02,430 --> 02:19:59,290 anything in May 7 of 2008 there was a 3421 02:20:05,550 --> 02:20:02,440 child who was found by a gentleman and 3422 02:20:07,770 --> 02:20:05,560 marshal Alaska who had been who had had 3423 02:20:10,110 --> 02:20:07,780 disappeared for a while he was found he 3424 02:20:12,090 --> 02:20:10,120 was disoriented dazed confused had no 3425 02:20:15,060 --> 02:20:12,100 concept of time but wasn't didn't suffer 3426 02:20:17,400 --> 02:20:15,070 any any of the symptoms of exposure and 3427 02:20:19,380 --> 02:20:17,410 when he finally regained his memory he 3428 02:20:20,610 --> 02:20:19,390 said that he was taken into a nearby 3429 02:20:21,870 --> 02:20:20,620 mountain and there are these little 3430 02:20:26,820 --> 02:20:21,880 beings who talked to him 3431 02:20:28,860 --> 02:20:26,830 and local Inuit fairy lore or the you 3432 02:20:31,261 --> 02:20:28,870 pick I think is the eggs actual name of 3433 02:20:32,580 --> 02:20:31,271 the specific tribe believed in a race of 3434 02:20:34,950 --> 02:20:32,590 subterranean fairies who loved to 3435 02:20:36,300 --> 02:20:34,960 disorient entrapped travelers this has a 3436 02:20:38,040 --> 02:20:36,310 lot of the data points of that missing 3437 02:20:42,630 --> 02:20:38,050 for one one stuff as well you know the 3438 02:20:44,370 --> 02:20:42,640 days the lack of exposure you know that 3439 02:20:49,170 --> 02:20:44,380 the sort of missing time the child has 3440 02:20:51,270 --> 02:20:49,180 so yeah I mean I mean in a lot of cases 3441 02:20:52,560 --> 02:20:51,280 we wouldn't have these we wouldn't have 3442 02:20:55,320 --> 02:20:52,570 these stories unless the child had 3443 02:20:56,730 --> 02:20:55,330 returned so yeah you'll find that in a 3444 02:20:58,050 --> 02:20:56,740 lot of effort places in fact I'd say 3445 02:21:00,540 --> 02:20:58,060 more than all more often than not you'll 3446 02:21:03,000 --> 02:21:00,550 find cases where children return return 3447 02:21:04,261 --> 02:21:03,010 nowadays than in you know ages past 3448 02:21:07,350 --> 02:21:04,271 which again might point to that 3449 02:21:08,940 --> 02:21:07,360 infanticide data point so if you've got 3450 02:21:11,520 --> 02:21:08,950 people disappearing and coming back 3451 02:21:13,440 --> 02:21:11,530 again you probably run into instances of 3452 02:21:15,480 --> 02:21:13,450 the whole missing time phenomena then 3453 02:21:16,590 --> 02:21:15,490 too as well oh yeah I mean missing time 3454 02:21:18,359 --> 02:21:16,600 is a hallmark 3455 02:21:20,370 --> 02:21:18,369 and you know obviously in UFO beware as 3456 02:21:21,840 --> 02:21:20,380 well well well aware but also in very 3457 02:21:23,399 --> 02:21:21,850 Laura mean you'd go to fairyland and 3458 02:21:25,500 --> 02:21:23,409 you'd think that you spent five minutes 3459 02:21:26,969 --> 02:21:25,510 and you'd spent five years a lot of 3460 02:21:28,920 --> 02:21:26,979 people who returned from fairyland would 3461 02:21:30,780 --> 02:21:28,930 crumble into dust at the first bite of 3462 02:21:31,979 --> 02:21:30,790 mortal food because they had actually 3463 02:21:34,290 --> 02:21:31,989 been away for so long 3464 02:21:35,399 --> 02:21:34,300 similarly you might be in fairyland for 3465 02:21:36,450 --> 02:21:35,409 what seems like a year and have been 3466 02:21:37,769 --> 02:21:36,460 there for five minutes 3467 02:21:39,599 --> 02:21:37,779 well there are plenty of stories of 3468 02:21:41,370 --> 02:21:39,609 children who are drawn into fairy 3469 02:21:43,859 --> 02:21:41,380 circles where the fairies are dancing in 3470 02:21:45,420 --> 02:21:43,869 a circle and they you know lose all 3471 02:21:46,889 --> 02:21:45,430 sense of time and they're pulled out by 3472 02:21:48,990 --> 02:21:46,899 someone who says that they've you know 3473 02:21:51,240 --> 02:21:49,000 been missing for hours so that missing 3474 02:21:52,859 --> 02:21:51,250 time component is a very common in both 3475 02:21:54,479 --> 02:21:52,869 UFO lore which I'm not going to go into 3476 02:21:56,250 --> 02:21:54,489 because I assume a fluency with the 3477 02:21:59,490 --> 02:21:56,260 audience with that and furthermore as 3478 02:22:01,769 --> 02:21:59,500 well now I've been asking everybody 3479 02:22:04,950 --> 02:22:01,779 about this because it's something that I 3480 02:22:06,809 --> 02:22:04,960 ran across fairly recently myself it's 3481 02:22:09,899 --> 02:22:06,819 been out there for a while but this 3482 02:22:11,250 --> 02:22:09,909 whole Mandela effect thing is is there 3483 02:22:14,250 --> 02:22:11,260 some connection there you know what I'm 3484 02:22:15,660 --> 02:22:14,260 talking about I presume yeah I do I 3485 02:22:17,729 --> 02:22:15,670 don't know if there's a connection there 3486 02:22:19,769 --> 02:22:17,739 i I poopoo it a little bit less than 3487 02:22:22,889 --> 02:22:19,779 some people because I've had a couple of 3488 02:22:24,479 --> 02:22:22,899 things that I strongly remember and not 3489 02:22:26,820 --> 02:22:24,489 like Berenstein Berenstain but there's a 3490 02:22:28,320 --> 02:22:26,830 point and I can't remember which James 3491 02:22:32,429 --> 02:22:28,330 Bond movie it is gene probably remembers 3492 02:22:36,330 --> 02:22:32,439 where the villain jaws runs into a girl 3493 02:22:38,040 --> 02:22:36,340 and and they have they share a romantic 3494 02:22:40,260 --> 02:22:38,050 moment staring at each other and she 3495 02:22:42,929 --> 02:22:40,270 smiles and everybody that I've talked to 3496 02:22:46,859 --> 02:22:42,939 my father myself remembers her having 3497 02:22:48,450 --> 02:22:46,869 braces because they write the gag it's 3498 02:22:51,000 --> 02:22:48,460 not yeah it's not there it's not there 3499 02:22:53,099 --> 02:22:51,010 what she okay she smiles she smiles 3500 02:22:56,040 --> 02:22:53,109 there's nothing on her teeth alright so 3501 02:22:58,530 --> 02:22:56,050 now I remember the braces thing I talked 3502 02:22:59,790 --> 02:22:58,540 to a James Bond film podcaster about 3503 02:23:02,969 --> 02:22:59,800 this and he's like yeah brace isn't like 3504 02:23:03,960 --> 02:23:02,979 no look again so that's one of those 3505 02:23:05,609 --> 02:23:03,970 things that really gives me pause 3506 02:23:07,800 --> 02:23:05,619 because that's the entire point of the 3507 02:23:08,910 --> 02:23:07,810 gag otherwise she just smiles and she's 3508 02:23:10,170 --> 02:23:08,920 you know got her Regulus she's got a 3509 02:23:12,030 --> 02:23:10,180 regular face she's a pretty girl and 3510 02:23:13,559 --> 02:23:12,040 like he smiles back what where's the 3511 02:23:17,660 --> 02:23:13,569 where's the where's that wait a minute 3512 02:23:20,849 --> 02:23:17,670 okay I remember the same thing now 3513 02:23:24,179 --> 02:23:20,859 understand there are sometimes more than 3514 02:23:26,280 --> 02:23:24,189 one version of a movie for whatever 3515 02:23:29,040 --> 02:23:26,290 reason different cuts whatever choices 3516 02:23:30,480 --> 02:23:29,050 are made but when you talk about this I 3517 02:23:32,990 --> 02:23:30,490 remember the same thing because 3518 02:23:38,310 --> 02:23:33,000 that is the only reason that makes sense 3519 02:23:39,810 --> 02:23:38,320 let the Richard Kiel character jaws who 3520 02:23:41,310 --> 02:23:39,820 I understand impressed it was a really 3521 02:23:46,560 --> 02:23:41,320 really nice guy as a lot of these 3522 02:23:49,530 --> 02:23:46,570 villains are and the woman that he 3523 02:23:51,690 --> 02:23:49,540 encounters have the same problem with 3524 02:23:54,270 --> 02:23:51,700 the braces and that was the big thing 3525 02:23:57,180 --> 02:23:54,280 about it otherwise it wouldn't make 3526 02:23:58,110 --> 02:23:57,190 sense but as you say some people say it 3527 02:24:00,301 --> 02:23:58,120 didn't exist 3528 02:24:02,310 --> 02:24:00,311 we're like living in the corner of 3529 02:24:04,110 --> 02:24:02,320 another reality but we have just a few 3530 02:24:07,650 --> 02:24:04,120 seconds left before we go to our final 3531 02:24:10,591 --> 02:24:07,660 segment exploring who knows what where 3532 02:24:13,680 --> 02:24:10,601 how it tastes how it smells what we 3533 02:24:28,281 --> 02:24:13,690 remember wasn't really there Joshua 3534 02:24:28,291 --> 02:24:32,480 thank you for listening to GCN 3535 02:24:40,190 --> 02:24:37,970 visit GP and live.com today as you know 3536 02:24:42,980 --> 02:24:40,200 neighbors web-hosting can be pretty 3537 02:24:46,250 --> 02:24:42,990 cheap but not all hosting is the same 3538 02:24:48,950 --> 02:24:46,260 dream host wins best of awards year 3539 02:24:51,801 --> 02:24:48,960 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week it's that easy 3637 02:28:50,041 --> 02:28:46,680 hey this is Marie D Jones the author of 3638 02:28:52,621 --> 02:28:50,051 this book is from the future and you are 3639 02:29:03,871 --> 02:28:52,631 listening to the podcast the gold 3640 02:29:06,541 --> 02:29:03,881 standard of paranormal radio my final 3641 02:29:10,741 --> 02:29:06,551 segment on the para cast Chris O'Brien 3642 02:29:12,091 --> 02:29:10,751 is lost in cellphone purgatory we don't 3643 02:29:15,331 --> 02:29:12,101 want to use the other word because this 3644 02:29:18,541 --> 02:29:15,341 is a nice show on a nice Network that's 3645 02:29:20,161 --> 02:29:18,551 not going to be demonstrated because we 3646 02:29:21,781 --> 02:29:20,171 may not have enough commercials from 3647 02:29:23,491 --> 02:29:21,791 women we'll get there you know I think 3648 02:29:25,591 --> 02:29:23,501 I'll call Erica Luke's and have her read 3649 02:29:28,411 --> 02:29:25,601 some she has a really good voice we'll 3650 02:29:32,821 --> 02:29:28,421 do that drop her a note now solve the 3651 02:29:36,571 --> 02:29:32,831 problem Joshua kuchen is author of some 3652 02:29:39,661 --> 02:29:36,581 fascinating books the brimstone deceit 3653 02:29:43,350 --> 02:29:39,671 is one of course the other one is called 3654 02:29:45,291 --> 02:29:43,360 a Trojan feast a Trojan feast there it 3655 02:29:47,911 --> 02:29:45,301 is I have it in front of my eyes and 3656 02:29:49,951 --> 02:29:47,921 coming up with a brand new book which 3657 02:29:51,511 --> 02:29:49,961 may get a title change we'll have to 3658 02:29:54,211 --> 02:29:51,521 talk to Patrick and see what he wants to 3659 02:29:55,621 --> 02:29:54,221 do I've discussed it with him and say 3660 02:29:58,951 --> 02:29:55,631 don't worry we'll think of a title 3661 02:30:00,180 --> 02:29:58,961 that's the new title of his book that's 3662 02:30:02,011 --> 02:30:00,190 right because they stole the title 3663 02:30:04,411 --> 02:30:02,021 thieves in the night the title has been 3664 02:30:07,321 --> 02:30:04,421 stolen and why do we see a picture of 3665 02:30:09,211 --> 02:30:07,331 Charles fort in the little illustration 3666 02:30:11,011 --> 02:30:09,221 I'm not familiar with what you're 3667 02:30:14,941 --> 02:30:11,021 talking about is this on the anomalous 3668 02:30:18,390 --> 02:30:14,951 website yes oh I believe if I understand 3669 02:30:20,731 --> 02:30:18,400 that is Patrick's placeholder but if he 3670 02:30:21,871 --> 02:30:20,741 has that up on the website I think it's 3671 02:30:23,251 --> 02:30:21,881 probably a pretty safe bet that it's 3672 02:30:25,321 --> 02:30:23,261 gonna be called thieves in the night so 3673 02:30:27,541 --> 02:30:25,331 that's that's exciting yeah when you 3674 02:30:28,651 --> 02:30:27,551 click on the picture though there's 3675 02:30:30,751 --> 02:30:28,661 nothing there it doesn't tell you 3676 02:30:32,401 --> 02:30:30,761 anything in the words of a great 3677 02:30:34,560 --> 02:30:32,411 sportsman it's not over until it's over 3678 02:30:37,171 --> 02:30:34,570 so until it's in my hands I'm not going 3679 02:30:38,611 --> 02:30:37,181 to say exactly what's in there or what 3680 02:30:40,531 --> 02:30:38,621 the title is or even if it'll actually 3681 02:30:42,930 --> 02:30:40,541 get printed I you know I don't want to 3682 02:30:44,551 --> 02:30:42,940 count my chickens before they hatch back 3683 02:30:47,310 --> 02:30:44,561 at the beginning of the show you kind of 3684 02:30:48,961 --> 02:30:47,320 alluded that your life had taken a bit 3685 02:30:52,010 --> 02:30:48,971 of a questionable turn after you started 3686 02:30:53,660 --> 02:30:52,020 publishing these sort of books here so 3687 02:30:55,639 --> 02:30:53,670 what did you mean by that oh you know 3688 02:30:58,370 --> 02:30:55,649 it's just it's the sort of thing where I 3689 02:31:00,080 --> 02:30:58,380 sort of signed up to be looked at oddly 3690 02:31:01,760 --> 02:31:00,090 at parties and such I mean it's not 3691 02:31:02,929 --> 02:31:01,770 really that big of a deal I was employed 3692 02:31:04,939 --> 02:31:02,939 at the University of Georgia School of 3693 02:31:06,380 --> 02:31:04,949 Music before I'd made the decision to 3694 02:31:08,240 --> 02:31:06,390 take this career path which is been the 3695 02:31:11,510 --> 02:31:08,250 best decision that I've done I was 3696 02:31:13,939 --> 02:31:11,520 applying for several other jobs and I am 3697 02:31:17,540 --> 02:31:13,949 pretty sure that at least a couple of 3698 02:31:19,490 --> 02:31:17,550 them I did not get because they were 3699 02:31:21,439 --> 02:31:19,500 able to discern my interests and they'll 3700 02:31:22,880 --> 02:31:21,449 go he's pretty you know I was a finalist 3701 02:31:24,469 --> 02:31:22,890 for a couple of them and they just sort 3702 02:31:26,120 --> 02:31:24,479 of dropped off after they asked me like 3703 02:31:27,740 --> 02:31:26,130 after it came out that this is what I 3704 02:31:29,210 --> 02:31:27,750 did you know even even couching it in 3705 02:31:31,399 --> 02:31:29,220 terms of all it's about folklore it's 3706 02:31:32,510 --> 02:31:31,409 about speculative nonfiction I know they 3707 02:31:34,219 --> 02:31:32,520 went home and they googled it and they 3708 02:31:36,620 --> 02:31:34,229 found out you know that I was writing a 3709 02:31:38,630 --> 02:31:36,630 book about aliens so but you know on the 3710 02:31:40,849 --> 02:31:38,640 flip side among all my musician friends 3711 02:31:42,349 --> 02:31:40,859 they all go what's this UFO thing about 3712 02:31:44,179 --> 02:31:42,359 what's this fairy thing about what the 3713 02:31:45,529 --> 02:31:44,189 heck is wrong with you and amongst a lot 3714 02:31:50,750 --> 02:31:45,539 of my 40 and friends are like what's 3715 02:31:52,880 --> 02:31:50,760 this tuba thing about what sort of an 3716 02:31:54,260 --> 02:31:52,890 outcast everywhere I go that's sort of 3717 02:31:57,139 --> 02:31:54,270 what I was alluding to nothing - nothing 3718 02:31:58,099 --> 02:31:57,149 too dark it's just again the climate is 3719 02:32:00,460 --> 02:31:58,109 changing people are getting a lot more 3720 02:32:03,889 --> 02:32:00,470 open to discussing these things but I 3721 02:32:06,080 --> 02:32:03,899 think that you have to be prepared for 3722 02:32:07,729 --> 02:32:06,090 people to give you the side-eye whenever 3723 02:32:10,099 --> 02:32:07,739 you actually put your name on something 3724 02:32:12,380 --> 02:32:10,109 like this a project like this well I was 3725 02:32:14,689 --> 02:32:12,390 at the one of the places I hang out and 3726 02:32:16,460 --> 02:32:14,699 just I take my laptop to the local 3727 02:32:18,950 --> 02:32:16,470 indigo which is our bookstore up here 3728 02:32:21,050 --> 02:32:18,960 and they've got Wi-Fi and a Starbucks 3729 02:32:23,319 --> 02:32:21,060 right in the store and so I hang out 3730 02:32:26,840 --> 02:32:23,329 there in the afternoons and I had it the 3731 02:32:29,719 --> 02:32:26,850 UFO website that I I take care of and my 3732 02:32:31,279 --> 02:32:29,729 other books I'm working on and you'll 3733 02:32:32,960 --> 02:32:31,289 just overhear people talking about 3734 02:32:35,719 --> 02:32:32,970 something and I couldn't help it over 3735 02:32:38,660 --> 02:32:35,729 here a couple next to me talking about 3736 02:32:40,609 --> 02:32:38,670 one of these strange disappearances were 3737 02:32:42,859 --> 02:32:40,619 some there was a fellow who had gone 3738 02:32:44,719 --> 02:32:42,869 missing off a scale and showed up you 3739 02:32:47,269 --> 02:32:44,729 know week later several thousand miles 3740 02:32:49,639 --> 02:32:47,279 away and so I just interjected and and I 3741 02:32:51,620 --> 02:32:49,649 had looked into that case and it wasn't 3742 02:32:54,290 --> 02:32:51,630 quite so mysterious but we got talking 3743 02:32:56,540 --> 02:32:54,300 and it's really amazing actually how 3744 02:32:58,910 --> 02:32:56,550 many people are willing to open up once 3745 02:33:01,340 --> 02:32:58,920 you indicate to them that you have an 3746 02:33:02,990 --> 02:33:01,350 interest in it as well it turned out - 3747 02:33:05,300 --> 02:33:03,000 one of them actually back to this 3748 02:33:05,690 --> 02:33:05,310 Mandela affecting because they had never 3749 02:33:07,570 --> 02:33:05,700 heard 3750 02:33:11,660 --> 02:33:07,580 but I asked him you know do you recall 3751 02:33:13,341 --> 02:33:11,670 Mandela dying in jail or being released 3752 02:33:16,280 --> 02:33:13,351 from prison and going on to become a 3753 02:33:18,320 --> 02:33:16,290 leader in South Africa and one of them 3754 02:33:20,950 --> 02:33:18,330 said don't just say she only remembered 3755 02:33:24,051 --> 02:33:20,960 him being released but the older lady 3756 02:33:24,860 --> 02:33:24,061 remembered them both like ah ha ha 3757 02:33:26,690 --> 02:33:24,870 interesting 3758 02:33:28,700 --> 02:33:26,700 yes there is some of us that remember 3759 02:33:31,700 --> 02:33:28,710 actually both and she said she was just 3760 02:33:33,230 --> 02:33:31,710 as sort of mystified kind of like I was 3761 02:33:35,660 --> 02:33:33,240 because I was thinking well what is this 3762 02:33:37,640 --> 02:33:35,670 is this is this guy an impostor or are 3763 02:33:41,240 --> 02:33:37,650 they you know pulling some kind of 3764 02:33:43,160 --> 02:33:41,250 political maneuver here for optics or 3765 02:33:45,850 --> 02:33:43,170 just what's going on exactly 3766 02:33:49,780 --> 02:33:45,860 hey I just saw this online folks 3767 02:33:53,720 --> 02:33:49,790 abnormal truth Moonraker Mandela effect 3768 02:33:56,921 --> 02:33:53,730 Dali had braces there we go now where 3769 02:33:59,330 --> 02:33:56,931 what universe did we just come back to 3770 02:34:01,520 --> 02:33:59,340 look it's a whole bunch of things online 3771 02:34:02,780 --> 02:34:01,530 about is they haven't found the footage 3772 02:34:05,600 --> 02:34:02,790 but they haven't found the footage of 3773 02:34:09,950 --> 02:34:05,610 her actually wearing braces yeah he said 3774 02:34:13,690 --> 02:34:09,960 someone had an old VHS version of the 3775 02:34:16,881 --> 02:34:13,700 movie and they looked at it there was no 3776 02:34:20,720 --> 02:34:16,891 woman with braces Dali did not have 3777 02:34:22,310 --> 02:34:20,730 braces yeah that one bugs me and you 3778 02:34:24,591 --> 02:34:22,320 know the thing about the mental effect 3779 02:34:27,290 --> 02:34:24,601 is I yes memory is pliable memory is 3780 02:34:28,910 --> 02:34:27,300 fallible I get that but sometimes people 3781 02:34:30,860 --> 02:34:28,920 you'll meet people who have this exact 3782 02:34:32,301 --> 02:34:30,870 same memory and again like for that one 3783 02:34:34,580 --> 02:34:32,311 for the Dali thing it just doesn't make 3784 02:34:38,330 --> 02:34:34,590 any narrative sense there's a photo here 3785 02:34:41,830 --> 02:34:38,340 by the way of Richard Kyo jaws and Dali 3786 02:34:48,860 --> 02:34:41,840 and what it is she has very bright teeth 3787 02:34:50,570 --> 02:34:48,870 yeah we remember the other ones me that 3788 02:34:53,511 --> 02:34:50,580 me and my wife both remember is my wife 3789 02:34:56,030 --> 02:34:53,521 and I both remember like we were 3790 02:34:58,730 --> 02:34:56,040 introduced to Sinbad the comedian with a 3791 02:35:00,710 --> 02:34:58,740 genie movie called Shazam and I can 3792 02:35:02,631 --> 02:35:00,720 remember that it was not a usual turban 3793 02:35:04,220 --> 02:35:02,641 like it was a mushroom-shaped turban my 3794 02:35:07,640 --> 02:35:04,230 wife and I both described his exact 3795 02:35:10,730 --> 02:35:07,650 outfit and yes I know about Kazaam being 3796 02:35:12,921 --> 02:35:10,740 a shack a colonial movie but it's just 3797 02:35:14,600 --> 02:35:12,931 weird to me that you know it's it's 3798 02:35:16,341 --> 02:35:14,610 harder for me to think of that as me 3799 02:35:17,900 --> 02:35:16,351 conflating something when both my wife 3800 02:35:18,630 --> 02:35:17,910 and I remember this and I can picture 3801 02:35:21,179 --> 02:35:18,640 this and 3802 02:35:22,260 --> 02:35:21,189 my head I'm sure that I'm wrong but it 3803 02:35:24,120 --> 02:35:22,270 always feels condescending when 3804 02:35:26,700 --> 02:35:24,130 somebody's like um no actually you're 3805 02:35:28,469 --> 02:35:26,710 remembering Kazaam with Shaquille O'Neal 3806 02:35:30,630 --> 02:35:28,479 and there's no way that they would have 3807 02:35:32,250 --> 02:35:30,640 look I'm telling you I realize that that 3808 02:35:34,860 --> 02:35:32,260 exists it's like somebody saying oh no 3809 02:35:36,689 --> 02:35:34,870 you don't remember volcano you remember 3810 02:35:38,399 --> 02:35:36,699 Dante's Peak or no you don't remember 3811 02:35:40,710 --> 02:35:38,409 Armageddon you remember Deep Impact no 3812 02:35:42,780 --> 02:35:40,720 I'm pretty sure I have a very clear 3813 02:35:43,950 --> 02:35:42,790 picture of this in my mind's eye you 3814 02:35:46,260 --> 02:35:43,960 just wake up one morning and it's not 3815 02:35:47,610 --> 02:35:46,270 there so it's yeah I don't know that's 3816 02:35:49,469 --> 02:35:47,620 my other big one that really it made me 3817 02:35:52,229 --> 02:35:49,479 stop the Berenstein Berenstain thing 3818 02:35:55,110 --> 02:35:52,239 whatever Mandela I remember him being 3819 02:35:57,809 --> 02:35:55,120 alive Billy Graham obviously you know I 3820 02:36:00,719 --> 02:35:57,819 he's been alive for a long time and I 3821 02:36:01,830 --> 02:36:00,729 just died this past week or so right I 3822 02:36:03,330 --> 02:36:01,840 think people a lot of times and those 3823 02:36:04,889 --> 02:36:03,340 issues conflate people who are at 3824 02:36:07,740 --> 02:36:04,899 death's door and recover with them 3825 02:36:10,500 --> 02:36:07,750 actually dying this the Shazam thing and 3826 02:36:12,300 --> 02:36:10,510 the the dolly from Moonraker thing are 3827 02:36:14,519 --> 02:36:12,310 both ones that get really stuck in my 3828 02:36:16,290 --> 02:36:14,529 craw so to speak I'll give you something 3829 02:36:19,710 --> 02:36:16,300 to make you more confused about Shazam 3830 02:36:22,889 --> 02:36:19,720 they are filming a movie called Shazam 3831 02:36:25,439 --> 02:36:22,899 that's the classic comic book character 3832 02:36:28,080 --> 02:36:25,449 where young Billy Batson says the magic 3833 02:36:31,290 --> 02:36:28,090 words Shazam and becomes the world's 3834 02:36:33,689 --> 02:36:31,300 mightiest mortal that's the original 3835 02:36:38,130 --> 02:36:33,699 Captain Marvel not the fake version from 3836 02:36:41,899 --> 02:36:38,140 Marvel Comics okay the original one and 3837 02:36:43,290 --> 02:36:41,909 Zachary Levi is gonna play the grown-up 3838 02:36:45,420 --> 02:36:43,300 Shazam 3839 02:36:47,700 --> 02:36:45,430 oh you could watch the movie serial 3840 02:36:50,010 --> 02:36:47,710 version which had one of the best flying 3841 02:36:54,059 --> 02:36:50,020 special effects from the 1940s 3842 02:36:57,990 --> 02:36:54,069 Captain Marvel from 1941 featuring Tom 3843 02:37:00,179 --> 02:36:58,000 Tyler a western star as Captain Marvel 3844 02:37:03,590 --> 02:37:00,189 Joshua kuchen where can we find more of 3845 02:37:06,780 --> 02:37:03,600 the stuff you do in this reality we hope 3846 02:37:08,580 --> 02:37:06,790 well at Joshua cutting calm if I can get 3847 02:37:09,689 --> 02:37:08,590 this next draft of the book out haven't 3848 02:37:10,200 --> 02:37:09,699 got to start blogging there more I 3849 02:37:13,439 --> 02:37:10,210 promise 3850 02:37:15,510 --> 02:37:13,449 couple blogs there you can link to all 3851 02:37:16,979 --> 02:37:15,520 my shows there and some of my music so 3852 02:37:19,590 --> 02:37:16,989 you can find me my it's my web presence 3853 02:37:21,389 --> 02:37:19,600 you can also find me as a semi-regular 3854 02:37:23,820 --> 02:37:21,399 guest on the where did the road go 3855 02:37:27,120 --> 02:37:23,830 podcast at 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